I am not confirming, because I did not receive my PM.
Haven’t actually done the math, but the thought was that the roleblocker was more likely to hit a town power role than a scum, given the level of information you get from Day 1.
Actually doing the math, we have a Town Vig (which wouldn’t hurt much to roleblock on Night 1, because vig’s are less likely to do good on Night 1), Doc, and Cop (Doc probably wouldn’t make a difference, but if it did then ouch; Cop would always be bad); plus the scum designated killer, scum roleblocker, and serial killer. Blocking the SK would almost always be good (though on night 1 possibly not as good as other nights, because the SK also has less info to go on and thus is more likely to randomly hit scum); blocking the scum roleblocker could be good, though the odds of the scum roleblocker doing anything useful is relatively low; blocking the designated killer is obviously good, but scum can move this role around and give it to someone who hasn’t drawn much suspicion.
So yeah, I still think the roleblocker is more likely to affect a Town power role than a scum/SK, due to the moveable nature of the designated-killer role; I’m less sure about the expected cost or benefit, since there are two very good results and one possibly good result from successful scum blocks, while the results of misblocks of town are one mostly-neutral (vig), one possibly bad (doc), and one very bad (cop). I’d still say the roleblocker should hold their fire on Night 1.
On the other hand, if another Town power role gets outed in the course of the day, the roleblocker should definitely fire into the crowd (on the basis of whatever suspicion he or she has), since then a block of the scum blocker has real value, plus then there are 3 possible nontown targets and only 2 Town targets.
Against that, if the roleblocker blocks someone random and there’s only one night kill, then there’s a real chance they’ve caught a scum or the SK (re-blocking the same person on Night 2 could help determine which, also of course it could be a double-kill or a successful doc block); the marginal investigative benefits might make it worth chancing a misblock. Now I’ve managed to totally confuse myself. Oh well.
sorry about that. Problem should be solved now.
Apparently there’s a plain old Nanook on this site who is wondering why they got a PM from me.
Tom- I actually don’t disagree with you that the odds are pretty long on a roleblock being effective. I just think it’s a little early in D1 to start planning out/offering advice to power roles. We might be able to come up with some useful strategy once the game’s gone on a bit, but for now it seems fairly useless to speculate on the best course of action for power roles.
About Pedesribe’s post 84- I don’t really see anything scummy about metagaming. I think it’s rarely helpful, but not really a scumtell.
and while i understand the math tom you also have to factor in that to some extent a rb can be a semi confirming role. even if they fire totally blind and happen to hit a town power role if that role subsequently has to claim and they say they were blocked on Night x then the rb will know that. conversely if a scum false claims something and doesn’t admit to being blocked and the rb knows for a fact that there should have been a block then that screws the scum over as well.
I don’t think that the roleblocker should fire off into the crowd. But if he’s got suspicions, he should definitely block Night 1, since as Tom pointed out a blocked kill is pretty huge.
Is there going to be an easy way to search through posts or should I just try to keep up with the flow of the game and basically use cut and paste or things like that?
((OOG: Also, I should be active this week but next week is a problem week for me pretty much from friday to friday.))
and while i understand what you are saying i would also make the argument that by using actions town powers do establish data. as in all cases there just has to be a risk/reward analysis. so while i agree that telling town power roles what to do is not the best way to go offering up information is helpful and if nothing else gets some activity going.
Few things:
-The multiquote button is the little square quotes button in the lower left corner. Click as many as you want, then click reply. This is a great organizational tool.
-There is a way to determine how many times each person has posted in this thread. It involves evil arcane magic, which is to say that I don’t know how to do it.
-With Advance Search, you can get a list of every post anyone has made in this thread, provided they haven’t made more than 750 posts in this thread.
If anyone posts more than 750 times in this thread, I’m going to lock them in a cell with Meeko for a week. :smack:
:eek:
hehe j/k
if you click the number of posts at the main menu you see how many times each person has posted in the thread.
neta.
and then if you click on the number it takes you to those posts.
Yes, and it counts as a “search” I believe, so you have to wait 3 minutes to do it again.
I have nothing to base any vote on at this point, but I think we need to be sure about our roleblocker’s power.
Forgive me if this is foolish or if it was stated, but I have to ask.
[COLOR=“Green”]Can the roleblocker stop the scum teams kill if he/she blocks the person who does the kill. Can the vigilante or serial killer be stopped by roleblocking?[/COLOR]
and now that i think about it a little more maybe it does make sense for an rb to fire away.
they could either:
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hit a doc - bad only to the extent that said doc happens to be protecting the person that scum are targeting for a kill
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hit a detec - bad
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hit a vig - good if the vig was firing away at a townie, bad if they were firing at a scum
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hit a scum killer - good
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hit a scum rb - good for the most part - really the only way this would be bad would be if the scum rb was targeting a vig or sk that also happened to be targeting a townie
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hit a sk - see 3
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hit vanilla - who the fuck cares
did i miss anything?
I thought the rb blocked all night actions of their target, even if they accidentally block another townie (ie the doc or cop)…?
maha is right. it does count as a search so there is that time lag. but i don’t read that fast so it’s never been an issue for me.
[oog]has is daddyhood? and i owe you something. i’ll try to make sure you get it for christmas[/oog]
that’s the way they work. i mean there can be some exotic shit in some of these games but this one looks to be straight forward.
Yes, unless a certain role’s action is unblockable for some reason.
Mod, will a player who is roleblocked or doc-protected be told this? (in the case of a roleblock, if the player has not attempted a night action)