Come Geek Out with me on Dark Shadows (the Original Series)

I have quite a backstory with Dark Shadows because my mother watched it during the original run, and I was petrified of it. My 6 year-old self would hear the opening music and bolt for the nearest door and stand out on the porch refusing to come back inside until it ended. I would lurk at the screen door and peer in, asking every few minutes, “Is it over?” It seriously creeped me out and was the reason I had to have night light.

Mama also had the record album with the music on it, and she would threaten me with it when I was being bratty. She would say “Stop it, or I will put on Josette’s Theme” and I would almost wet my pants.

After it went off the air, I didn’t recall much about actual characters and story lines other than some names and that it was a town populated by vampires, witches and werewolves, and everything seemed to happen in this gargantuan house that they only showed 2 rooms of.

Fast forward 50 years later: I have discovered it on my Amazon Prime, and feeling it was time to get over this childhood trauma, I have been binge watching it relentlessly for about 3 weeks. I’m obsessed! I am up to episode 427, which is about 2/3 of the way through the 1795 story line.

And damn, this thing is so bad it is deliciously good! I love it in all of its’ cheesetastic glory! Sure, there’'s plenty to laugh at. Boom mikes, stage hands and even cameras are often visible, but the characters are very engaging as horror archetypes and I am even loving the soapy-dopey writing. It takes itself very seriously, doesn’t it?

Some observations, good and bad:

  1. There’s obvious lifting of whole elements from every Gothic novel anyone ever heard of. Barnabas and Josette are very “Wuthering Heights”, Victoria Winters is a pale shadow of Jane Eyre, Edgar Allan Poe pops up everywhere.

  2. I had to tell myself going into it that I need to remember this was a soap, so it will advance the plot slowly and use all those typical plot-stalling tactics, like building up a confrontation and playing the “da DA daaa” music and then cutting to a break only to come back and suddenly the tension has dissipated and the characters are conversing normally. But I don’t care, I keep watching, :D!

  3. Barnabas has very uneven powers. Sometimes he is terrified of being caught somewhere he shouldn’t be, other times he can disappear. Sometimes he can mesmerize people, sometimes he can’t.

  4. Half of Elizabeth’s (Joan Bennett) lines seem to be “I am not going to discuss this right now” and “I am sure it was just your imagination”, but still I am intrigued by her backstory and that she was a recluse for 18 years. And that she didn’t let being a recluse stop her from getting up every day and putting on diamonds and piling up that coiffure. With a big ol’ bow on it.

  5. How amusing to watch the episodes go from b&w to color and back again and remember that time when most people didn’t have color TVs anyway. The quality of some of the episodes is extremely poor, but I am happy they even exist, considering the disposable nature of such shows at the time.

  6. The costuming is really pretty good, especially in the time travel sequences, and c,mon…who doesn’t love all the feast of glorious 60s fashion in the “present day”? Carolyn is a master of the “flip” hairdo. Barnabas wears a long brocade smoking jacket in both the present and the past that is very elegant and well made, and shall I say, "to die for’? :smiley:

  7. In 1795 they have bedding that features blue and gold sheets and modern blankets with the satin banding…there was obviously a much bigger costume budget than set decorating one. White or unbleached muslin would have been the proper linens for that time. This same granny square afghan shows up in every house, both past and present. The few servants they do have come in and out of the Front Door, which was a no-no.

  8. Most of the women are typically weak damsels until Dr. Julia Hoffman shows up and Angelique makes her entrance, and I hate Angelique so much! Which is a good thing, right? :stuck_out_tongue: And they both are desperately in love with Barnabas.

  9. And speaking of Barnabas, Jonathan Frid is so oddly sexy. He kinda turns me on, especially in his pre-vampire incarnation, but it is probably just the lovely waistcoats and that hybrid coat/cape thing he wears. I have always been a sucker for costume drama. Barnabas must have plenty of extra clothes packed away with him in that casket, because sometimes his cravat is white and/or covered with blood, and sometimes it is black and clean. I am striking that up to vampire magic.

  10. They have done a decent job of creating an isolated world where all these things happen. Collinwood, the Old House, Eagle Hill Cemetery, Widow’s Hill, the Blue Whale…etc.

  11. It is full of plot holes. Barnabas is so sad after Josette throws herself off Widow’s Hill that he is condemned to live as the undead forever, then why doesn’t he just burn himself up in the Sun? After all, he was going on and on for the 2 previous episodes about how he wanted to be “united with her in death as he never was in life”…so, do it! lol!

I find it refreshing to go back and see this through a lens of a time before the vampire genre became so overworked and worn out as it is today. I also think Anne Rice had to have been influenced by Barnabas Collins for the character of Louis de Pointe du Lac as a reluctant self-loathing vampire.

I was at home by myself watching a few days ago and Julia is being gaslighted by Barnabas and tormented by the ghost of Dr, Woodward and there is a storm at Collinwood (always a storm!) and the phone and the lights are acting wonky. There is this eerie grinding sound and the door to her room becomes distorted as she thinks something is coming to get her…am I got a flashback to my childhood! It was really scary!! haha!!

It is so wonderful on the absurdity scale, it is just the escape I need right now.

Please, share your Dark Shadows experiences and observations. :wink:

You could almost tune in for the first ten minutes of Monday’s episode and then skip to the last ten minutes of Friday’s epi and not miss a thing.

Judah Zachary was chuckle a foot (actually, a head) taller than a headless man should be. :slight_smile:

About five years ago, I started reviewing the old show on my blog, thinking I would stop watching at some point, and wound up hooked on it all the way to end. It goes a lot more quickly on DVD, where you can watch up to 9 episodes in a row without commercial breaks.

I watched it as a child when it was in re-runs in the early '70s, but remembered very little of it. But I’ve seen it all now, several times. I bought the big, boxed set that looks like a coffin with Barnabas in it for myself for Christmas last year, and consider it one of my best DVD purchases.

Wait 'til you get to the last 40 episodes, there’s an even more overt “Wuthering Heights” drama going on. Also an even more Jane Eyre-like story in the 1890s, and a Rebecca pastiche combined with Dr. Jekyll and just a touch of Ligeia in an alternate dimension version of Collinwood. If you like the 1790s stuff, you will love this.

I have noticed the afghan too. A lot of the props travel around Collinwood if you keep an eye out for them.

I work from home a great deal of the time, and I have tried to just sort of listen/watch it while I am emailing, but I find I do miss things here and there if I am not looking at it, there’s nonverbal stuff going on. I back up and rewatch scenes alot, lol!

And yeah, it is loaded with ultra bad special effects like the one you described, but that makes it seem all the more theatrical. More or less.

The most cringe-worthy prop moment is when Barnabas is bitten by the bat after Angelique puts the curse on him. This squeaky toy bat on a string dangling from a (partially visible) pole is coming at him and not only does he not once use his arms to grab it or push it away, he actually wraps his arms around the column behind him. He’s clinging to it like he’s been tied there! Yeah, that would totally be my reaction. ??? BUT as eye-roll inducing as that was to watch, Angelique’s curse was just such a good zinger that it overcame that low-budget mess. And you have to hand it Jonathan Frid, he made it work with what he was given.

One of the better “make it work” effects is when they have the bat come in very close to the camera and black it out, and then Barnabas sweeps in out of that darkness. It’s believable.

Oh, I am jealous you have the box set! I find that on my Fire TV I can watch it with just one commercial here and there. Many episodes flow one right into another.

I am surprised I have gotten sucked into this, too. I thought I would watch it a little just so I could say, “I was so frightened over THIS?” But no, I am going to watch the whole thing now. So glad to know there is more good stuff to come.

Kathryn Leigh Scott is just gorgeous. Alexandra Moltke has the thickest hair I have ever seen on a human person, and I don’t think she is wearing any hairpieces.

The 1795 hairdos are ridiculous, but are pretty accurate to that time, as hairdos really were ridiculous then. The hairpieces and wigs on Millicent, Angelique and Josette are quite obvious, but I think they did a good job mixing in the actresses real hair.

I didn’t think I would like Julia Hoffman’s character as much as I do, but she adds that much-needed element of intuitive intelligent older woman, even if she is a mad scientist.

I adore Julia Hoffman. There are so few women going into the Mad Sciences even today, never mind in the 1960s, and she is an inspiration to any young girl who aspired to reanimate a body made from spare parts or to cure a vampire or werewolf of their unbearable curse.

I was old enough to watch the original series, although I don’t think I watched the whole series. Luckily I got a chance to record it when they showed it on the SyFy Channel. I’t one of my favorite TV shows of all time! I especially liked how the different actors played different roles. That actor who played Ben Stokes must have played at least 5 different parts.
Trivia:
The Actress who played Daphne Collins was one of the main characters on Charlies Angels.
The actor who played Sheriff Patterson later played McGuyver’s boss.
Abe Vigoda made a brief appearance as the caretaker of the Collins family graveyard.
To the best of my knowledge Barnabas Collins was the first sympathetic vampire.

Thayer David. Without looking it up, he played Matthew the creepy caretaker, Ben Stokes, Professor Timothy Eliot Stokes and a more seedy version of Prof. Stokes in an alternate dimension, the gypsy Sandor, and Count Petofi whose severed hand had a mind of its own.

Kate Jackson. It was her very first role out of drama school and she didn’t have a line for the first 5 weeks; she played a ghost.

I’ve seen him in it twice, as an elderly silversmith who gets killed by Quentin-the-evil-ghost, and as another elderly man in the 1840s who gets killed by the evil severed head of Judah Zachary.

The lesson here is that severed body parts are evil and should be avoided at all costs.

Exactly! Couldn’t have said that any better.

I laughed out loud when Barnabas told her she was “a domineering and meddlesome woman” and then he said something to the effect that men today might put up with such behavior but he wasn’t having it. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d like to think Barnabas eventually stops chasing after some ideal of a sweet young thing and he and Julia wind up together somewhere living out their days in a relationship that is only semi-dysfunctional.

Yes, I knew about Kate Jackson, had no idea about Abe Vigoda, but his look is certainly perfect for this show. I’ll have to look for him.

I have heard others say Barnabas was the first vampire character of this type, too.

I am aware of the Tim Burton/Johnny Depp movie from a few years back, and I know they turned it into a comedy. :mad: Which now I can completely see is the equivalent of taking a big steaming dump all over it. Just because there are things about it now we find funny in retrospect was no reason to ruin it like that. Nothing about it was ever meant to be funny. What a shame, because, given the right treatment it could have been quite good. If Burton & Depp had done it along the same line as how Sleepy Hollow was done, that would have been perfect. So, in my world that abomination doesn’t exist. I am sorry I even brought it up.

I also understand the criticism I have read from other fans who feel that the show became too much “The Adventures of Barnabas Collins”. I adore him, but I like when other characters are explored. They hint that Victoria is Elizabeth’s daughter, but I don’t think they ever confirm it, I’ll see how that unfolds. I actually find Victoria very boring.

I can’t wait to find out what this whole Count Petofi thing is all about. You’re not spoiling anything for me, I have been looking some things up here and there so I had already seen it.

I remember seeing a scene in it when I was a child while my mom was watching that had a seance and Angelique sitting there all morphed into a skeleton. It was her, but really really emaciated. I am looking forward to confronting that demon, lol!

And Lara Parker is indeed very attractive, but it is as if she is so doll-like beautiful that it makes her look other-worldly and strange, ya know? That casting was excellent. The beautiful, but very very bad woman!

At the time she was making Dark Shadows, she had a very interesting future ahead of her as an integral part of the Claus-and-Sunny Von Bulow story. (Under the name Alexandra Isles.)

I remember long ago, during the time of Charlie’s Angels, reading an interview with Kate Jackson in which she was asked questions about Dark Shadows. She said many positive things about her experience on the show. She told a story about one take where she had trouble concentrating on her lines because the child actress she was working with kept stepping on the hem of her long dress. She found out later that she’d gotten too close to the fireplace and her hem had been catching fire. The girl had been quietly stomping out the flames without interrupting the scene.

She gave the kid props for being such a trouper.

I’m watching that story-line right now. I’ll have to keep an eye out for the dress-stomping.

Like many of the surviving Dark Shadows actors, Kate Jackson did interviews which appear on the DVDs. I like how many of them continue to speak well of the experience and their work with the other people on the show. They also talk about how tough it was to tape a soap opera in those days. The way it was recorded back then, they had to get it right in one take and couldn’t stop if something went wrong, which is why so many flubs and technical errors crept in.

Is this running now? What channel? I’d love to catch it, I remember being young and my older sister watching it. Like the OP, it scared me a bit then but as young as I was, I was also intrigued.

It’s her eyes. One of the other characters calls her “Moon-Eyes” at one point, which I thought was apt and hilarious.

I hated Angelique at first too, but got to enjoy her character more as she developed over time. I started to think of her in terms of Smart Witches, Foolish Choices. If only she would stop chasing after Collins men who don’t care a thing about her. :slight_smile:

I am watching episode 428, and Louis Edmonds as Joshua Collins is interrogating Nathan Forbes and his main way of conveying anger is to talk very fast in a choppy fashion cutting off the ends of his words. He looks like he could have stepped right out of this period, but his acting is sooooo forced. I remember him later being on All My Children as Langley Wallingford. He has his moments but over all he is irritating, but then again I guess the types of entitled pricks he always portrays are supposed to be.

The actor playing Peter Bradford has the most annoying voice, especially when he raises it…terrible.

Thayer David as Ben Stokes is really wonderful, he’s a natural talent.

I am watching it on Amazon with my Fire TV.

I started watching it on Hulu, and their collection started with Willie Loomis letting Barnabas out of his coffin. That was episode 200-ish. So I got about 80 episodes into it and discovered Hulu was missing a big chunk of them.

That’s when I discovered Amazon has them all in various collections. There are 1200 and something episodes, which should keep me occupied for a quite a while.

I am planning to go back and watch the pre-Barnabas early episodes at some point, but I understand they don’t have very many supernatural elements.

Hmmm…my fingers need to do some walking through Google to find out more. Thanks!

I don’t think I’ll join you here, but instead go find the series.

When my niece was very young, I used to sing “London Bridge” to her, until her mother told me to stop, it was too creepy. I didn’t remember at the time, but I picked it up from that sho