Common Held Beliefs or Ignorance about a Film That Drives You Crazy

In the book there’s no question that Deckard is human - the book asks the question “Can humans become as immoral as replicants?” (Yep). The movie wonders if replicants can be as good as humans - not quite the same thing

My biggest issue with the movie is that Frankie shouldn’t exist. If it was Clemenza like it was originally supposed to be there would be a much richer back story.

It’s all about Michael trying to make the family legit even though he has to do horrible things to get there. The family’s future isn’t in New York it’s in Cuba and Vegas. Clemenza I mean Frankie is the old way that Michael is trying to leave behind. Of course we know it doesn’t work which makes this a tragedy.

I also think it would have worked better without Danny Aiello’s adlibbed line. They weren’t trying to leave Frankie alive it doesn’t make sense to say it was from Michael if Frankie was dead.

They thought Frankie was dead. He was on an army base getting ready to testify before Tom found out he was alive. Michael didn’t have a chance to convince him of anything

Boy, I need to see this movie.

Really, the Replicants in the book were portrayed in a very unsympathetic manner. Based on their behavior, it was obvious why humans were scared of them, and wanted controls on where they were allowed to be. The book was clearly written from the point of view of being fearful of what new technologies might do to us puny humans caught up in all this change.

The movie comes much more from the later attitudes of “The humans were the real monsters all along”, and the Replicants were merely the most recent victims of us monstrous humans.

Yeah. There were some cases in the books I think where humans got to be as cynical and hostile as replicants, but all the replicants were jerks

What happens to Josey Wales, standing there, dripping blood?

We could fill the Internet with what George Lucas doesn’t know about the Star Wars universe. In fact, we have.

Y’know, I just hoped he ended up dead one way or another.

I always understood the ending that Josie finally got what he always wanted - to be left alone. When Fletcher gave the message that he’d stop chasing Josie if Josie stopped, then that settled it. Josie went to live back on the ranch with Sondra Locke and his new “family” and lived happily ever after. He could put his demons to rest.

Or at least as well as one can live in the old west. Maybe he got kicked in the head by a horse, or got typhus, smallpox, diphtheria, was killed by Indians, died from a rattlesnake bite, accidentally stabbed himself with a knife, had an ice block fall on his head…

IMO, Shane dies. He’s been shot in the gut. He’s also a relic of a more violent age and it’s time for him to ride off into the sunset. Or into those foothills from which you can see a passing bus in the opening credits.

Shane, to Fletcher: Your kind of days are over.
Fletcher: And what about yours, gunfighter?
Shane: The difference is, I know it.

FYI, I have the book, and like you said, his fate is ambiguous. One difference from the movie is it’s Wilson that wounds him, not Fletcher’s brother.

The point of Blade Runner is not that Deckard is human. Nor is the point that he’s a replicant. The point of the movie is that it doesn’t matter if he’s a human or a replicant.

Han didn’t shoot first, because “shooting first” implies that there was more than one shot fired.

That was always my take and it doesn’t bother me one way or the other.

What we do know is that the most poetic and heartfelt musings on the nature of life and death came from the replicant, who also was the only one who acted with any real mercy.

This sounds right to me.

Dont forget quicksand

Sondra’s character died in childbirth later that year. Josie hooked up with Rose, the dancehall floozie. And they started a little town called Las Vegas, out in the middle of the desert.

Funny, I didn’t think Josie was Mormon. :wink:

Concur

Apparently, many believe endless tedious remakes of Dune are preferable to the making of Ringworld.