Complex SQL Query

General Questions
#1

Let’s say that I have a database (and, by coincidence, I do!) of cartoons,linked to a table of the DVDs they appear in, and that linked to the people who do the commentaries on each cartoon for that DVD.

So, if I do a query for that DVD, the cartoons and the commentators, it might return something like this:


DVD                                       Title                         Commentators
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Simpsons Season 10      Lard of the Dance               Mike Scully
The Simpsons Season 10      Lard of the Dance               Ron Hague
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  Matt Groening
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  Mike Scully
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  George Meyer

But now, lets say that I had a cartoon that didn’t have any commentators. The SQL doesn’t return anything since there’s nothing to link it to at the end. Is there anyway to have the SQL return at least one entry, even if the last one has a null value for the commentator?

Like this:


DVD                                       Title                         Commentators
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Simpsons Season 10      Lard of the Dance               Mike Scully
The Simpsons Season 10      Lard of the Dance               Ron Hague
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  Matt Groening
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  Mike Scully
The Simpsons Season 10      Bart the Mother                  George Meyer
The Simpsons Season 10      Lisa gets an A                     NULL
#2

Running out the door, but an outer or left join is what you need. If nobody else has added info I’ll post more later.

#3

What Spud said; what you want is an outer join. So if your original query was something like:

Select DVD, Title, Commentators
from tableDVDs
join tableCommmentators on tableDVDs.dvdID = tableCommentators.dvdID

it’d change to something like:

Select DVD, Title, Commentators
from tableDVDs
LEFT OUTER join tableCommmentators on tableDVDs.dvdID = tableCommentators.dvdID

CAVEAT: I’ve only had one cup of coffee and I don’t know your table structure or the exact brand of SQL you’re using. But outer join is definitely your friend here.

#4

ditto

#5

Fourthed. You definitely want a LEFT JOIN (or LEFT OUTER JOIN, which is completely identical in all ways).

#6

Should the commentators be in a separate table? (with a table of keys relating them to their appearances on DVDs/cartoons)

#7

If I were building this, I’d have 3 tables: one for DVDs, one for Cartoons, and one for Commentators. Not only does that de-duplicate the data (meaning: reduced storage, decreased query time, more effective memory caching), but it makes it a lot easier to answer questions like: “how many DVDs did episode 12 appear on?” “How many episodes did Bob Bobson comment on?” “Bob Bobson gave us a new headshot, which DVDs do we need to change the cover of?”

Anyway, we don’t know how the tables are laid out based on the OP anyway.

#8

I think you’d actually need 4 (or even 5, depending on how you choose to model it) tables - 3 as you describe, and a fourth to hold all instances of a commentator on a cartoon on a DVD. Joining tables also count as tables, even if they can’t be related to a physical entity!

Incidentally, normalisation doesn’t always mean decreased query time, because it increases the number of joins that have to be made. There are good arguments for denormalisation in certain large databases, but in this case the answer is clearly to go 3NF.

#9

Something like (Making WAG on how you connect your three tables)



SELECT DVD.Name, Cartoon.Episode_Title, ISNULL( Commentator.Name, 'None')
  FROM DVD
       INNER JOIN Cartoon
               ON DVD.Key = Cartoon.DVD_Key
       LEFT JOIN Commentator
              ON Cartoon.Key = Commentator.Cartoon_Key
#10

Here’s how my tables are laid out:

Cartooons (titles and other info)

Cartoon_DVD_Link (connects cartoon key to DVD key)

DVD

DVD_Commentators_Link (connects DVD key to commentators link)

Commentators

Here’s another issue I came across while trying to implement the OUTER JOIN. A cartoon may have commentators on it from different DVDs. So, not only does the DVD_Commentators_Link have to match the DVD, it also has to match the specific cartoon.

Right now the way I’m doing it is backend programming where it looks for the double match (cartoon and DVD) but I was hoping there was a simpler way of doing it.

#11

At first I wasn’t sure why this was a complex SQL Query… your clarifications have answered that question.

Normally the only reason I put an intermediate linked table into the mix if I have a many to many relationship.

Is there a 6th table that is the Commentators_Cartoon_Link or does the DVD_Commentators_Link include the Cartoon key as well? I’m assuming it has both.

This is venturing away from ANSI SQL to something more SQL Server specific, your flavor of DBMS may implement differently.


SELECT DVD.Name, 
       Cartoon.Episode_Title, 
       CASE
          WHEN DCL.Commentator_Key IS NOT NULL
             THEN SELECT Commentator.Name
                    FROM Commentator
                   WHERE Commentator.Key = DCL.Commentator_key
          ELSE 'None'
       END AS Commentator_Name
  FROM Cartoon
       INNER JOIN Cartoon_DVD_Link CDL
               ON CDL.Cartoon_Key = Cartoon.Key
       INNER JOIN DVD 
               ON CDL.DVD_Key = DVD.Key
       LEFT JOIN DVD_Commentators_Link DCL
              ON DCL.Cartoon_Key = Cartoon.Key
             AND DCL.DVD_Key     = DVD.Key
#12

To allow for the most flexibility I’d set it up using 5 tables. The basics are the DVD table with the primary identifier as DVD_ID, the TOONS table with the primary identifier as TOON_ID, and finally the COMMENTATOR table with the primary identifier as COM_ID. These tables can also contain data that is unique to that item in the table. DVD could include format, date purchased, cost, etc. TOONS could have plot summary, guests, production date, etc. COMMENTATOR can have BIO, Birth/Death Dates, Photo, etc.

Then I would have two link tables. DVD_TOON link would just have the DVD_ID and TOON_ID. This way you can have the same cartoon on multiple DVD’s. Then you could have the DVD_TOON_COM link table which would connect the commentator(s) to the TOON on the Specific DVD.

That setup should give you the flexibility to do pretty much whatever you need.

#13

Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll be playing with this when I do my work on it tomorrow. I’ll let you know how I made out.