On the bright side, liberal posters aren’t rushing to make excuses for this. It is very suspicious, and very convenient.
It also may have hurt the cause of better regulating these groups in the long run. The IRS proposed new rules, but have now postponed consideration of those rules:
I’m not really sure how much this stuff matters. Anyone can get around whatever rules are set up. Just so long as enforcement is unbiased, I have no issues.
The impression I received from the articles that it was external emails that didn’t include an internal person that were the issue. Not a personal email account (POP or IMAP). The were able to recover internal emails from people because that’s easy, but external people would have to be subpoenaed individually and you’d have to hope they still have the messages.
Uh, that theory would be yours to research. So, knock yourself out. Of course that while issue has no bearing on this particular lie from Lerner & Team. But you know that. So you figure, “Hey, let’s make this thread about something other than what it is about.” That’s a helluva effort, soldier.
Now, if you’d care to share your thoughts on what is claimed to have happened, feel free to share 'em if you got 'em.
My very large private company deletes all e-mail after 30 or 60 days on the server. I forget exactly which. Once that time frame is gone, the only copy left is on my HD unless I take steps to back them up. I’m quite certain it has nothing to do with technical difficulties or expenses. Rather, I think it’s to make them more difficult for legal discovery, but I don’t really know.
At my company, you can log into any computer and you’ll see the same email in your Outlook. We’re not a large or particularly rich company.
I am an I.T. guy and I don’t buy this for a minute. I’ve worked at some large companies and everyone has a backup strategy that allows pulling old data out when needed. The usual strategy is to have an offsite backup and do some sort of san copy between locations. Usually with a tape backup strategy as a failsafe. At my present company we can go back 7 years if needed. In fact, since we have government contracts we have to.
For the I.R.S to not have a system in place is inexcusable. If the I.R.S. requires tax payers to have 6 years of documents, then the I.R.S has to meet the same requirement. Why? Some tax issues take years to clear up. He’ll, a friend of mine just finished an audit that started about 5 years ago. He came away clean but it was a nightmare in that he sent the same damned stuff in over and over again. The I.R.S kept losing files and his auditor changed multiple times.
If you don’t have the storage to keep the needed emails, you buy another shelf and stick in some drives. Or buy more tapes. Hell, I just expanded one of our Exchange severs store. I doubled it. Took about a day to install the shelf, expand the volume on the San then expand the volume on the server. (Thank you Microsoft for allowing right click disk expansion in server 2008.)
And, for the record, the I.R.S runs Exchange, not Outlook. Outlook is just the client.
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**The I.R.S kept losing files and his auditor changed multiple times. **
Which is why I wonder how a court can ever take their word over a taxpayer’s.
Why bother? The right has attempted to manufacture controversy over effectively every decision the government has made since 2008 and pin it on Obama being some sort of total failure as a President while being hypercompetent at evil villainy.
At this point, they’ve cried wolf so many times that nobody pays attention to the supposed scandal of the week, regardless of its merits. The Democrats could go on a killing spree through the House of Representatives at this point, and nobody’d believe it. Nobody’s listening any more, and even if this does turn out to be an actual wrongdoing instead of a technical error, the right will never be able to convince anybody other than the choir of it, since everybody’s used to the perpetual lies, exaggerations, and hypocrisy.
I’d say the public is listening. Obama’s approval rating isn’t in the dumps for no reason. THe public believes he’s not honest, not trustworthy, and not competent.
Fucking IBM makes employees clear out their mail to local copies when their mail file gets too big.
If republicans are outraged that email is brought offline for cost purposes’they should pass the “improve the IRS computer system Act” and free up some money for them to spend on storage.
The public believes the same things about Republicans. Only in greater numbers.
its has guilty written all over it, jail time is required here
I have worked at many companies that do this - but then they limit the space available to each user, so you end up deleting old emails
And dinosaurs like me prefer to download to a “local” computer, removing from the server.
Naturally there would still be the backups of course… (or presumably) -
I would deny that is incorrect, except perhaps for some obscure case, or in cases where the emails have been purged off the servers and the only remaining copy is in a local PST archive. Email simply does not reside JUST on local computers. Especially in the case of a large government organization which have very specific requirements to back up data.
They make us do that, too – and the office is full of idiots who mass-mail pointless one-sentence messages in the form of megabyte-sized PowerPoint slides.
An employee using personal email for official business is surely gross misconduct?
Dude. You can’t just make a *stretch *like that without warming up, first- you can do some serious damage.
Something I recommend to my clients is that they remove the attachments from the email, but leave the email itself. That way they still have a record of the email, but it doesn’t take up much space.
Uh, no–it was your claim that if something similar happened when a Republican was in office, the thread would have thousands of posts. My claim is that’s not true, and in fact I’m now claiming there’s no such thread at all about the Bush attorneys general emails.
I’m too ignorant of technology to have much thought on the particulars, so I’ll mostly confide myself to reading the thread and learning, as I do in most threads where I’m ignorant. But if you or anyone makes another stupid Bizarro claim, I’ll pop back in to ridicule it.
So in your version of reality, the physical location of an IRS employee is a key determinant in how they perform their job?
Back to what really matters, the statute says that these groups must be exclusively working for the public welfare to qualify for the tax exempt status. There is no reason why any Teabagger group should have ever been granted such status.