But that’s just it. It doesn’t matter if the incidents increase or not. The point of making guns and CCW’s more available is to allow more people to carry guns. Any related statistics regarding safety or anything are irrelevant.
Cite? Where is this information from?
Lucky you. This woman had been robbed twice in the past year. She was beaten during one of these robberies. She has no criminal record, works as a phlebotomist. She volunteered to the police officer that she had a weapon.
But *you *feel safe so *she *shouldn’t be able to arm herself. Great logic you have going on there.
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In the few states I’ve done (NV TX FL UT), presentation was never in the scope of the class. They wanted to see you safely load, aim, fire, unload and clear the weapon. There was no drawing from concealed in the basic CCW classes there. Other classes covered that, most notably at Front Sight in NV, of the civilian training I’ve done.
I too was like that, for many years.
At age…
19: boot camp, first time firing any firearm of any kind
32: retired from USMC, still no firearm ownership
42: first time gun owner
55: age today
I’ve traveled a lot, been to all 50 US states, long solo motorcycle trips, long road trips exploring far off the beaten path, and never felt the need to carry a gun. Fortunately I was never in a situation where I needed a gun. But I feel a lot safer now with a gun, and I travel with one when I’m in the right states (www.handgunlaw.us).
And, fortunately I’ve never ever been in a situation where I needed a gun, and I hope it stays that way. But if I ever do, I’ll be prepared.
It’s not for everybody. My wife has her CCW, but she is different from me. She knows her abilities, her visual acuity, her mental fortitude and makeup. She will pretty much never carry concealed. And she shoots a lot better than many I’ve seen earn their CCWs.
I’m not so sure. More people carrying does not necessarily mean the world’s a safer place. How many road rafe incidents do we see? Some people can’t even control their tempers behind the wheel, and we’re going to allow them to carry? I hope not.
I’m not arguing that more people carrying makes the world a safer place. I’m saying laws like the one being discussed here are simply for making it easier for more people to carry guns in more places. Statistics regarding the safety and usefulness of more people carrying guns are irrelevant.
what part do you doubt?
While I agree with this in a general sense, I can’t see where the federal power to create a cause of action against state/local law enforcement comes from.
Well if the only criterion is to make it easier for more people to carry, why not just allow everyone, kids, criminals, whomever. That should get a lot more carrying.
Then while we’re at it, let everyone drive a car or fly a plane, or …
Thanks for clarifying but I don’t think safety to the public is irrelevant. I might not be a true 2d Amendment advocate, then.
*It doesn’t matter if the incidents increase or not.
Any related statistics regarding safety or anything are irrelevant.
I don’t agree with either of these statements, and wonder if you have anything to back them up, or if they are your opinion. If your opinion, please provide more explanation.
The argument against the first sentence is even if mistakes are made by honest, law-abiding people, it will be (and has been) greatly outnumbered by reduced crime and people protecting themselves and their families. Armed people protect themselves every day with guns, most of the time with no shots fired. And, yes, there are studies that show exactly that.
And I disagree that statistics regarding safety are irrelevant. What statistics do you have regarding safety?
Does the Necessary and Proper Clause not cover it in your eyes?
No - the necessary and proper clause isn’t applicable, or at least, it hasn’t been used in this way. Some future court may do so, but there is nothing to base that on right now.
The idea that more people carrying will cause some increase in accidents and crime such that allowing more permissive carry may have been persuasive long ago, but now that anyone who wishes to carry and is not prohibited can do so in 41 states without this ill effect, that argument is particularly weak.
To be clear, I’m not saying that more people carrying will cause an increase in accidents and crime. I’m saying that nobody cares about that when they are lobbying for increasing the ease of carrying guns.
They are irrelevant in the case of you carrying or wanting to carry a gun. Did you consult these statistics to determine if you were safer carrying a gun or not? If you did consult some studies that determined you are safer if you carry a gun around, concealed or not, please link to them as I would really like to read them. Did you consult some studies to see if your household is safer by having a gun in it before you decided to get a gun? If you did, please link to them because I would like to see them.
I suppose it’s a little like splitting hairs, but the bills that are being discussed in this thread do not “increase the ease of carrying guns”, at least not in one’s home state. The bills have nothing to do with changing the requirements in any state to get a carry permit. They are intended to allow people who already have a carry permit to travel outside of their home state while carrying. The correlation would be that nobody is seeking to lower the age at which you can drive, or eliminate drivers tests, but we are seeking to allow people to drive across state lines.
I will ask you the same thing. In your post, you mentioned how you FEEL safer carrying a gun. But ARE you safer? Did you consult any studies that show the public is safer with you carrying a gun? Did you read any studies that show that you ARE safer carrying a gun? If you did, please link to them because I would like to see them. If you didn’t, it’s because safety to the public wasn’t your concern. The carrying of the gun was your concern. Public safety was irrelevant.
Fair enough, but if there is a state that a person can’t go with their gun now and after the legislation passes they CAN go there with their gun, then that has increased the number of people that can carry in that state. The increase or decrease of public safety as a result is irrelevant.