This is absurd; I trust you don’t really mean it.
No, sorry, I did not mean to imply that there was any such intent on the part of the government to incarcerate American Muslims as a group after 9/11, just that a fair number of ordinary citizens seemed willing to consider it.
I should have made it clearer that I wasn’t disagreeing with your father that general trust in government was higher in those days. Just pointing out that indifference to the rights of demonized groups can still be seen nowadays, and doesn’t require any particularly trusting attitude toward governmental security policies.
That’s a fair point, especially in times of war.
I should have qualified that. My father lived in San Francisco at that time, and while I’m sure it had its fair share of anarchists, communists, pacifists, and Republicans, literally everyone HE knew was a staunch FDR supporter, so from his point of view, everyone trusted the president. That may still sound like an overstatement, but I believe the country trusted FDR and the federal government, and I don’t think many people protested the round-up of people of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. I am not a historian.
FWIW, I doubt if there was much opposition in the UK to the mass internment of Germans and Italians in the UK, any more than there had been to interning German and Austrian men in WW1.
But there was eventually some right of appeal for release on political/compassionate grounds, and opportunities to help the war effort for those accepted as genuine refugees.
IMO it should read, CSA’s and US Army units killing each other."
The 1st Arkansas CSA cavalry fought the first Arkansas USA cavalry in Arkansas, Fayetteville, I believe. My point being, the tragedy was Americans killing each other.
There is that, and there’s also the fact that the Army tends to name its aircraft after Native American tribes. They have the permission of those tribes to do it, so it’s not problematic in that sense, but presumably the Natives also killed a bunch of Americans as well. The naming doesn’t celebrate or honor that fact, it’s just to foster a sense that we’re on the same side now.
That being said, it’s 100% appropriate in the modern day to decide we need different symbolism and signaling. No matter how honorable the past intentions were, we don’t need to carry that baggage if it’s holding us back. Especially given the fact that arguably, the Confederates never truly yielded and joined our side, and the spirit of rebellion seems to keep popping up, we need to purge all that stuff. Civilians can wear whatever dumb belt buckles and T-shirts they want, but we shouldn’t have confederate memorabilia flying from unit streamers.
I understand your point - but those were US units fighting against other nations. Whether we should be celebrating battles/wars of conquest that we instigated is a legitimate question, but IMO certainly less problematic then celebrating battles against USA units (which Confederate associated units are doing). I don’t have a problem with Union-side Guard regiments with streamers for Civil War battles, as they were the good guys defending the nation.
You yourself just called them “honors”. They’re not. They’re dishonors. Our armed forces should not, under any circumstances, honor treason against our nation, nor should states honor treason against those states.
Yes, when you try to kill the people you’ve sworn to protect, they do often try to kill you right back.
You wouldn’t near to clear out Staten Island that much. 
They are neither. They are literally participation ribbons. Like it or not these units do have a history dating back through the Civil War. The history is researched and verified through the United States Army Institute of Heraldry. I am all for getting rid of honors and statues of traitors. This is much closer to what Trumpers yell about, erasing history. It is the history of these units.
Sure, it’s their history. But by waving them as banners, they’re celebrating/honoring that aspect of their history.
Erasing history would be pretending that it didn’t happen. And that is largely what Trump supporters do when they try to stop things from being taught in schools.
Put the banners in a museum. Don’t wave them.
It’s worth remembering that people discussed various means of isolating people with AIDS when that first roke out. Scared people can quickly become tools of evil- a thing we might do well to remember now.
They aren’t banners. Nobody is waving them.
I’ve read that some government officials seriously considered interning all the Germans and Italians, but concluded that there were too many of them to make such action practical. But the government did take lesser steps.
They’re streamers and people are flying them. That looks to me like a distinction without a difference.
And if this is the history of these units, then the question still remains, why? Abolish the old, treasonous units, and replace them with new units without that history.
It’s not as if this has been a long standing tradition of US military units displaying confederate campaign streamers. It was begun the year after integration started in the military as a fuck you to black troops and Truman. We can go back to the way it was before the change.
Do you think the National Guard unit in Ohio has a Kent State battle streamer? Thank you for participating.
One of the many pastimes we developed in my infantry unit in the 101st, when we weren’t training or picking up trash, was to ID officers with Americal combat patches. (You know, the baby killers.) Didn’t trust them.
My recollection is that only German and Italian nationals were interned in the UK during WWII. The US government rounded up more or less everyone of Japanese ancestry on the West Coast. The majority were US citizens.
The US interred a few German and Italian nationals but only those who were active Nazis/fascists before the war. As you said all people of Japanese ancestry were interred if they lived in the Western continental US, some of them second generation Americans. They didn’t do that in Hawaii because it would have been logistically impossible.