Out of curiosity, even if the legislation is passed what’s to prevent American Jews from simply ignoring the edict? Why do they have to pay fealty to what the State of Israel and a small group of Rabbis tells them WRT to whether they are acceptable Jews?
Are Jews as obeisant to a top down hierarchical authority as Catholics?
They don’t, unless they want to immigrate to Israel or get married in Israel.
Have you ever heard the saying “two Jews, three opinions”? In a word, nope.
I know nothing about the inner workings of Judaism, so pardon me if this is an ignorant question.
Does the Israeli parliament even have the spiritual/religious authority to make a declaration like this? I mean, sure, if this were Catholicism and the Pope, but does Judaism even have a central religious authority?
ETA: Just saw the post above mine. Sorry.
Only for people who get their foreskins snipped off on the kitchen table.
Not that I’ve ever learned. Some people must be mad that they don’t get to wear the cool hat and live in a big palace with lots of artwork.
I think the editorial is pretty badly incorrect, here.
This isn’t really a new thing. The thing is, Orthodox Jews don’t believe that non-Orthodox conversions are legitimate. So, if you’re a convert to Conservative or Reform Judaism, Orthodox Jews don’t believe you really converted.
Right now, Reform and Conservative converts are eligible to come to Israel under the Law of Return. Critics are concerned that if this law passes, that won’t happen anymore.
But that’s not really what the bill says (the bill used to say that, but he amended it). The purpose of the bill is to change the conversion process inside Israel, to make it easier for non-Jews in Israel to convert to Orthodox Judaism, and to not recognize non-Orthodox conversions that happen within Israel. From this article from The Jewish Week
No wonder our birth rates are down. From the piece quoted in the OP:
Not only does this involve an actual adult woman, but the best he can think of is phone sex? And this is the worst? I’m so ashamed.
You think Jews aren’t going to shrug their shoulders? Such a thing I can’t believe. There will be shrugging. Accepting these rabbis saying they are not Jews? Not so much.
But isn’t that the way it already is, with the shrugging and accepting that they have different standards? At least reform Judaism generally accepts one parent and a Jewish upbringing as enough to make you an official Jew - so if you ask the rabbi at my parent’s synagogue, I’m Jewish, because my parents had a Jewish wedding, Dad’s Jewish by birth, and I was raised that way. If you ask an orthodox rabbi, he’d say no, I’m not Jewish unless I actually convert. And for the most part, the reform rabbis don’t seem to give a fuck what the orthodox say, because why would they? The orthodox have no real authority over anyone but themselves, no matter what they may think.
I’d imagine anyone who wants to move to Israel and/or convert to orthodox Judaism already thinks this way, so who the hell cares?
Correction : that’s the worst he’s been *caught *for. No one’s found the videos of the gefilte furries party yet.
Yes. That and arguing about it with relatives over dinner, or at least something to nosh on.
They all know.
Thanks so much. That’s a visual I did NOT need. :eek:
So American jews are the new Samaritans. :rolleyes:
Nobody wants furry gefilte.
Now games of blowing the ram’s horn, searching for the afikomen, and the miracle of lasting 8 days? Mitzvahs, all of them.
I repeat, the editorial is not accurate as to what the law does. The information in it is false.
I wondered why my pork belly futures just shot up in value…
Can I kiss you for using the word annulment and not divorce? Will you bear my children?
Three religious humour homer-runs
The board meeting were a bitch to run even with broadband, too many people. I think the iPhone4 problem was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
You’re one of the good ones.
The committee just called. You’re still in.