No because Kaepernick’s protest didn’t start with kneeling. He was sitting out the National Anthem prior to kneeling. Beyond that he was already on his way out the door in 2016.
At best you could say Elway was willing to take a risk on someone going south.
I thought we were talking about tweets by the President and walkouts by the Vice President. Trump made a single comment during the campaign, as far as I can find, and then started his shitstorm last September.
Instead of trying to make it out like I’m wrong, you can just explain your point?
And Elway’s lowball trade offer was months before training camp even started.
I respect the statement Kaepernick is making. But I respect the hustle above all. Nike saw a good opportunity to boost their profile using Kaepernick’s image and all the attendant controversy = publicity, and Kaepernick and his worthwhile message get their profile boosted as well.
People can refuse to buy Nikes, they can burn Nikes, they can bitch and complain all they want, but you know what? This is the free market. This is what those assholes claim to support. You do what you do to get ahead in life, to promote yourself, to spread whatever ideas you think are worth spreading, and to make however much money you want. That’s America. That’s more anti-Communist than a nuclear bomb aimed at the heart of Soviet Russia. A bomb can only be used once. An idea can be used forever. Or something like that. Anyway, to all the people bitching about Nike products, they are engaging in the same kind of virtue signalling that they accuse their opponents of…except it’s not virtue that they’re signalling.
Elway’s offer was April 2016, Kaepernick wasn’t publicly noticed sitting down until August 2016.
In terms of Kaep’s skills, in 2015 he had a 59% completion rate and 78.5 passer rating, good for 30th in the league. In 2016, same completion but a 90.7 passer rating, 17th in the league, with 16 TDs and 4 INTs.
So giving up millions of dollars that could be contributed to charities that would help 1000s of people to go thousands of miles away to kill poor brown dudes in caves that pose no threat to the US and end up getting shot by my own men is something I should believe in?
Be fair. The Nike campaign is saying you should believe in something, not what it is you should believe.
Also, Tillman was killed in Afghanistan hunting the Taliban who were harboring Bin Laden, not in Iraq. By an idiot fellow soldier, not the enemy, but that doesn’t detract from his decision.
Sure, but the Pat Tillman meme is stupid and annoys me, sorry.
Oh, I get the point - that it’s supposed to mean “This is what someone who actually *loves *his country and is willing to put *everything *on the line does”, while falsely implying that Kaepernick did not.
Yeah. If Pat Tillman had survived his tour of duty and had returned home to the meeting he’d planned with Noam Chomsky (!), and had gone (further) public with his disillusioned views on the dishonesty of the Iraq War propaganda and the Bush Administration, he would still have been just as much a brave, patriotic and self-sacrificing soldier. But you can bet your bottom dollar that conservatives would not now be using his image as an icon of brave patriotic self-sacrifice.
Tillman’s family isn’t cool with using Pat in anti-Nike ads. Not that anyone running these things is going to care.
Yes, if he had started two or three Super Bowls instead of only one, that might have been good enough to be considered “mediocre”. Got it. :rolleyes:
And you did notice that one of America’s most successful companies just gave him a multi-million dollar contract, right? What a loser!
See post #178, but yeah, definitely bears repeating.
3+1=
and 2 +2=
are two literally different equations.
They both have the same answer.
Saying that:
“he is unwilling to express pride in a country that he views so negatively”
gets you to the same place as:
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”
It certainly doesn’t seem to be enough to make a thinly veiled accusation of lying.
I suspect you didn’t realize he had said this in the first place but cannot bring yourself to admit you were ignorant of Kaepernick’s statement on the issue.
What if he was promoting a racist agenda that was driving people away from the stadiums?
What if he was *protesting *a racist agenda? 'Cause he was, yanno.
And that place is kneeling in respectful protest, and honoring this country, its veterans, and its flag by performing his responsibility as a citizen.
By that time he had lost his starting position and asked to be traded.
he was offered what they thought he was worth.
…I’ve bolded the distinction. And its a pretty fucking major distinction. If he intended to say the former then he would have said so. That should be pretty fucking obvious.
I never made any thinly veiled accusations of lying. If another poster has made thinly veiled accusations of lying then go talk to them.
I know exactly what he said because I fucking quoted a post that outlined exactly what he said. So your suspicions are completely wrong. Again.