Conservatives on immigration are the most vicious people on earth

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In most cases, in the US, I agree.

But remember that migrant crisis that happened toward the later Obama years where people from central american countries were sending their children from places like honduras to flee crime and cartels and worse?

Did Obama engage in mass clemency and amnesty? No, he sent them back. He probably worked to have some financial assistance set up in the host countries to help shelter the kids, but he did NOT just let them flood in. That would have sent the wrong message, and caused thousands more immigrants to try and get in illegally with a rising death toll from the journey.

So liberals like Obama, and me, held their nose and turned those people away. Not because we hated them, or thought they were worthless cancers and certain parasites on society, not because we think of the US like a finite pie (oh how conservatism has fallen to this faction), but because we knew that the consequence of not doing so would lead to worse outcomes and more exploitation from smugglers and more death.
Conservatives like to throw up law and order like a shield for their actions and focuses, but it’s a fucking lie. We have hundreds, thousands of laws that are and are not enforced in equal measure, the reason conservatives are much more hard line on illegal immigration writ large and want THOSE laws and enforcement turned up to 110% is not because of some sterile reading of following the LAW to the letter (like they’d want to be pulled over for every 5 mph over the speed limit or jay walking), it’s because of so many of those OTHER concerns listed above. And more. Things like not liking that immigrants often tend not to vote conservative. For some alt right leaning factions because they see non whites coming in as a diminution of “white” culture and influence. I cannot count how many times I’ve heard some talk radio rube or conservative commenter online talk about not wanting this to turn into some third world country. The implication is clear, they see mexican immigrants coming across the border as low quality trash.

This is why there is more fervor and energy in enforcement and deportation on their side. And just as they would pass judgment on those millions that are here illegally, so too shall I pass judgment on their attitudes, which I find repulsive.

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How dare you, it was the entire basis of married with children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRwocUXDiA
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True enough. But the people elect representatives who pass immigration law. How is that not a legitimate outcome in a republic?

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“I have a gub.”

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I will say that, in comparing ISIS to conservatives gleeful about the deportations, I don’t see the conservatives being compared in a very good light themselves.

Sure, ISIS does some terrible things, but they are a product of their environment. They live in a pretty shitty area, with no jobs, no homes, and violence is all they have ever known their entire lives. While what they do is absolutely abhorrent by any standards, by our first world standards, they seem even more barbaric.

This is compared to the conservatives who are a product of their environment. Growing up in a stable country, with only minor poverty and homeless issues compared to the middle east, where violence on the level that ISIS members grew up with is completely unheard of.

And these conservatives are the ones who, rather than act in a humanitarian fashion to ease the suffering of those who have lived lives of misery and deprivation, they instead bar the door to those trying to seek a better life, and kick out those who have made it.

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Those pro-deportation conservatives certainly are the most vicious people on earth. Why, even Hitler didn’t…

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So ISIS? Or right wing Americans?

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Both ti one degree or another. I do think that there are many here who would go full ISIS, albeit in service to a different ideology, were they in a scenario where normal legal restraints were no longer operating.

I also think, just based on what I’ve heard, that the difference in liberal and conservative viewpoints on illegals is that liberals view them as committing one criminal act, crossing the border, and that maybe many years ago. Conservatives, on the other hand, view their mere presence as an ongoing criminal act, and as a wellspring of criminality, statistics to the contrary be damned.

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A group of very smart people told me that was the case, not too long ago.

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ISIS. Terrorists. I can’t believe the only people that some of you all could come up with when it comes to immigrant hating people is ISIS. It’s mighty close though.

And they’re poisoning their children. My 12 year old was told by another 12 year old on their school bus that she should be deported after finding out her last name was Hispanic. He called her an illegal. The other kids just laughed. That is fucked up. This kid is damaged by that blinding hate he probably learned from one or both of his parents.

It’s bad enough the last image she has of her father is on a screen at an ICE detention center. I know how hateful conservatives can be because they seem so damned proud of it. The other day when that DREAM act student was deported (within three hours from detaining him!) it didn’t matter that he was here as a legal resident. He deserved to be deported. He was taking funds away from an American student, he was hogging up our resources, and he was a CRIMINAL too. Besides he got what he deserved for forgetting his papers. It kills me how quick they are to dehumanize a person. No they don’t behead or cut off hands, they just have hearts full of hate and they excuse it by feigning patriotism and concern for our country.

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Work to change the law then.

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It’s very similar to the concept of original sin. Another religious idea I DESPISE as something puked up by a wicked and malevolent GOD/men. Note some of these conservatives want to change the constitution to make it so the children of illegals born on US soil are not citizens themselves.
You crossed illegally? Then you are to be banished from eden/paradise. I do not care what you do and who you are as a person. I do not care if you do more good for yourself and those around you, I do not care if your children you brought over illegally before they could even consent are banished as well, and even children that were born here.

They are all tarnished and rotten seeds, to be purged like maggots and carrion. There is literally nothing these people can do other than casting themselves into a lake of fire (self deportation) that would sate these conservative sadists.

And they ARE sadists.
To all you conservative readers of this, the next time you listen to talk radio or read comments in a conservative outlet, pay attention to how they talk about illegals, how flippant they are, how dismissive they are about how any particular individual has acquitted themselves. More often than not, the entire frame defines illegals and their children in the manner I described above, products of original sin, where the only solution is mass deportation, or the flood.

And conservative hosts are as hard line as they come. Turn away from Gomorrah, don’t look back or I shall turn YOU to salt as well, I shall spare NO ONE from my wrath and mass slaughter.

This is the essence of the conservatism, the bitterness, the rage, the opposite of charity. And don’t even DARE look upon such people with sympathy, that leads to compromise, and perhaps something less than mass deportation or uprooting the illegals from their homes that have been hear decades. And so compassion and sympathy itself is made the enemy of the conservative world view.

Utterly vile attitude, and people, for bending the knee to this atrocity of a standard.

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**Matthew 25, 31-46 **

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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Biotop, thank you for that. I might be agnostic, but those are beautiful, powerful words, and I honor the man who said them – and the many that at least try to heed this lesson.

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Please don’t use the word “illegal” as a noun. It is dehumanizing, and decent people don’t.

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That’s a fair characterization.

Also, AIUI, liberals typically think that illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay unless there is exceptional reason to deport them. Conservatives typically think illegal immigrants should *not *be permitted to stay, unless there is exceptional reason *to *let them stay.

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So do we want separation of church and state, or not?

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kaylasdad99 wrote: " Please don’t use the word “illegal” as a noun. It is dehumanizing, and decent people don’t."

Point taken, but I’ve never cared for the term “undocumented” either. Makes it sound like they lost their wallet. Perhaps “uninvited guest”?

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How about just “person”?

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I don’t want the government doing something because a religion tells them what to do. I want a government of the people doing things because the people decide together what is the right thing to do. And I assume many people individually decide right and wrong based on their faith.