If the program was moderately successful, and psychics were of use, wouldn’t it still be active (IYO of course)?
Suzie Cotrell (sp?). Her test is mentioned in Flim Flam (Randi’s 1981 book). She broke down in tears.
The 10 year old Natalia Lulova. Took the test and failed, much the embarassment of those she had been fooling and herself.
There’s plenty of other examples in Flim-Flam. And quite a few on Randi’s site.
Impossible for me to know…
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Some suspect the program is still going on, under another name and with new players, in one of our black budget programs. IIRC we started our program at least partly in an attempt to catch up with a remote viewing program the Russians had. In intelligence gathering any tool is apparently evaluated.
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Some claim the decision to cancel our program was based on political pressure, not results. The occult connection made this type of activity a “hot potato” that could ruin someone’s career.
Sorry. That’s the best I can do. There are probably some good books out there that cover the topic better than my limited knowledge. The people who know the whole story don’t/can’t talk much about it. IIRC, Joe said about 98% of the stuff he worked on is still classified.
Sorry. Running out of time. I must have missed your question.
“My question is, besides dirty business tactics, how do you descern a (supposedly) reputable psychic from a fraud?”
Got me. If you want a materialist answer, you must test them. The problem is: They make so much money, why would they allow you to test them? There’s a lot of potential downside to testing, and almost no upside for them.
We live in a rather strange society where you can read your horoscope in many major newspapers around the country. I guess it’s considered “entertainment” by some. “Psychics” are just an extension of that.
Now if you want my answer about reputable psychics, I don’t believe there are any. I avoid them. They think they have special powers of the mind. I believe they are being deceived. And one famous one I firmly believe, based on his own words, is demon possessed. He told a chilling story I heard some time ago. There is a powerful force outside of himself that allowed him to “perform”. He was involved in our remote viewing program at one time.
Gotta run for now. Thanks for the conversation. You have brought some things back to mind that I had forgotten about.
Praagh and Edwards are frauds.
After running an extensives series of tests upon them, three times to ensure accuracy, neither shows any signs whatsoever of having an actualized Metaconscious mind.
For those unfamiliar with my work, the Metaconsciousness is the part of the human mind in which all psychic abilities (psychometry, telepathy, telekinesis, "astral projection", etc) reside. In the majority of humans, the Metaconscious mind remains dormant. In some individuals, however, it becomes actualized. This grants them abilities to observe, interact with, manipulate and control reality far beyond the norm.
James and John have dormant Metaconscious minds. Therefore, they have no psychic abilities. The question now becomes, do they genuinely believe themselves to be psychic or are they committing willfull deception? Based on many hours of reviewing their speech patterns, vocal pitch, body language, respiratory rates, and other similiar data, I have concluded that Praagh and Edwards are conmen. They know that they have no paranormal abilities. They intentionally lie to the audience in order to gain fame and money.
I’ll post this again This is a good cite that explains the Star Gate program that Joe was involved with. It goes into some detail about its successes and losses (mostly the latter and that’s the reason it shut down according to this cite).
Not that I disbelieve that they’re frauds, I’m just curious when, where, how etc…they were tested. Care to share?
That there is such a thing as psychic ability was proven in hundreds of tests at Duke University years ago. I guess you missed the addresses posted.
Now forgetting what I said above, I understand from your post that Psychics are merely charlatans and frauds until they prove themselves innocent. And any rights they have under the constitution do not apply here. This is as well said as any hate group literature I have read.
You do not accept accountablity for your accusations against psychics because they made you do it, so they are to blame.
Yes, I understand this, I just don’t agree with it.
I wonder if it ever occured to you that psychics might not care to prove anything to you, since you are not anyone they are reading for.
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Leroy
You have a unique way of twisting the arguments around like you want them to be. funny.
I see our resident dream maker is back, what glorious devices have you today and what part are you playing?
Search for some of these types of posts he made before in other threads, they are very creative.
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If you are accusing me of hate speech, then you had better have some proof.
The Duke University tests you previously referenced prove nothing.
I do not think that you should reference the Constitution in this argument. It is not applicable. This is an issue of burden of proof, which you continuously, completely, and utterly fail to meet, or to understand.
Further, the old “not the target audience” bit. I refuse to prove that psychics are frauds, as they are not the people I am talking to.
Sheesh.
blanx
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Let’s apply the same criteria being used to judge the validity of Edwards et al to DocCathode.
From your post, we can infer that you believe yourself to be somewhat of an authority on the matter at hand. Further, you claim to have subjected these psychics to an “extensives series of tests” without positive results.
These are rather stong claims to be made without accompanying them without some sort of evidence other than your word.
Therefore, seeing as your post seems to implies that you’re an expert, prove it.
Hello, Pot? Kettle Here.
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Therefore, seeing as your post seems to imply that you’re an expert, prove it.
I performed the testing. Praagh and Edwards had no knowledge that the tests were taking place.
For more information on my methods and qualifications, read this thread
Both Praagh and Edwards have participated in scheduled live webchats. I was able to obtain readings on their NCCF’s at those times.
Thanks to you too.
Doc, out of curiosity, is it possible to do a NCCF reading by examining somebody’s PDA or is that something you have to keep on the QT?
TTFN
Are you quite finished? Go on, get it all out of your system. When your finished excercising your brilliant wit, I can get back to explaining science and fighting ignorance.
I’m feeling ignored. lekatt, why won’t you respond to me?