Contact with the Great Beyond--Psychics like Praagh

[Princhester]

*Originally posted by RedFury *
… no praise is necessary as they are likely masochists caught in the throes of their favorite kink.

Sad, but true [sub](speaking for myself, of course)[/sub]

[Brutus]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
**…I don’t think after posting on this board for awhile that skeptics have any real evidence of fraud on psychics, they just have a lot of unsupported opinions…
**

Wow. Just get laid of from your gig as an Iraqi Inspection Obfuscation Officer?

It is up to the ‘true’ psychics to prove that they indeed have amazing powers. Using the scientific method, this has never been done.

Anyways, my astrologer told me that psychic readings are a load of bunk…

[lekatt]

*Originally posted by Princhester *
**Lekatt I dropped out of actively participating in this debate because you were not answering questions. Asserting that you do in the face of reality is just not going to work.

I have asked repeatedly how you prove that Doc Cathode is a fake. You have never answered. Saying that you have is just an out and out lie. Point to your post in which you have answered that question.

Pheonix Dragon and myself applied the Altea readings to ourselves honestly, and you dismissed our posts, saying you wouldn’t trust anything by sceptics, which is really just a roundabout way of saying that we are lying.

And yet when others query your own application of the Altea readings to your family, you get all huffy. Why don’t you apply the standards that you would like applied to you, to others such as myself and Pheonix Dragon? Explain to us all why you are not a blatant hypocrite.

Spoofe’s query is perfectly reasonable. You said that you knew nothing about your father’s side of the family. You also said that no one in your family had died of cancer.

How do you know that no one in your family has died of cancer, if you know nothing about your father’s side of the family?

It’s a perfectly simply, perfectly reasonable question. We are waiting on an answer. Moaning about how horrid we all are is not convincing anybody of anything. Asserting that you answer questions when you quite simply do not is not going to work, given that the whole history of this debate is written right here in this thread where we can all read it. **

I will try one more time to answer this.

Psychics get their information from the deceased (spirits) standing around the person being read. Now links are made between people through emotions, good or bad.

Since I never knew anyone beyond my father and they never knew me there would be no reason for such individual to be there.

Don’t ask me about “Doc”
I have said all I want to. Just check his posts to find out.

[lekatt]

*Originally posted by Brutus *
**Wow. Just get laid of from your gig as an Iraqi Inspection Obfuscation Officer?

It is up to the ‘true’ psychics to prove that they indeed have amazing powers. Using the scientific method, this has never been done.

Anyways, my astrologer told me that psychic readings are a load of bunk… **

Psychics will never prove anything using the scientific method. But that doesn’t mean they arn’t real. Science doesn’t know it all.

[Princhester]

So, re Doc, you admit that you haven’t answered my question? Why then did you say earlier that you had answered our questions?" I am belaboring this point because you just don’t seem able to face the fact that there are very good arguments we have raised that you just can’t and won’t deal with.

Psychics get their information from the deceased (spirits) standing around the person being read. Now links are made between people through emotions, good or bad.

Since I never knew anyone beyond my father and they never knew me there would be no reason for such individual to be there.

I understand that this is what you believe. I have no idea why you believe that it is an answer to Spooje’s question, which is:

How do you know that no one in your family has died of cancer, if you know nothing about your father’s side of the family?

Your answer seems to be that you don’t know anything about your father’s side of the family, and because of that you can’t find out anything psychically.

So the question remains: how do you know that nobody in your family has died of cancer?

[Typo_Negative]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
**Your answer shows you are missing knowledge of how psychics get their information. It shows you are missing the fact that if I didn’t have any information before, why would I have any now. But most of all it is just missing common respect for the beleifs of others, and what is know as common sense. **

I’m sorry, but this does not pass the laugh test. My post did not adress how psychics get their information. I don’t care. My post addressed only the inconsistancy of your statements.

You wrote this:

Now, no one in my family died of cancer, sorry it just didn’t happen.

It is offered as a fact. Particularly the “sorry it just didn’t happen”.

Then later in the same post, you backhandedly admit that you have no way of knowing whether anyone in your family has died of cancer.

[Phoenix_Dragon]

*Originally posted by RedFury *
See, I am not sure if I should commend all the brave Dopers that have been digging their heels in the fight against ignorance or if no praise is necessary as they are likely masochists caught in the throes of their favorite kink.

I think it’s just one of those cases of patience not always being a virtue. Sure, standing your ground and fighting the good fight despite all odds is a valiant effort of preserverance. But bashing your head against a brick wall for days on end is not… I’m starting to think it’s about time to leave the brick wall be, it’s not going anywhere

[lekatt]

*Originally posted by Princhester *
**So, re Doc, you admit that you haven’t answered my question? Why then did you say earlier that you had answered our questions?" I am belaboring this point because you just don’t seem able to face the fact that there are very good arguments we have raised that you just can’t and won’t deal with.

I understand that this is what you believe. I have no idea why you believe that it is an answer to Spooje’s question, which is:

How do you know that no one in your family has died of cancer, if you know nothing about your father’s side of the family?

Your answer seems to be that you don’t know anything about your father’s side of the family, and because of that you can’t find out anything psychically.

So the question remains: how do you know that nobody in your family has died of cancer? **

I am confused now. In relation to a psychic reading I was asked if anyone in my family died of cancer, I said no. Then I explained to you how if someone had died that were geneations removed from my knowledge it would make no difference in the reading.

Do you really believe it does, what in the world have you been taught. This is total nonsense to psychics.

[lekatt]

*Originally posted by spooje *
**I’m sorry, but this does not pass the laugh test. My post did not adress how psychics get their information. I don’t care. My post addressed only the inconsistancy of your statements.

You wrote this:
It is offered as a fact. Particularly the “sorry it just didn’t happen”.

Then later in the same post, you backhandedly admit that you have no way of knowing whether anyone in your family has died of cancer. **

Give me a break, this is totally irrelevant to anything psychic. How would anyone know what happened 500 years ago with their family line. This sounds like double talk to me.

[Princhester]

Oh for goodness’ sake, Lekatt. Please tell me you know you are not dealing with the question and that you are obfuscating. Please.

[lekatt]

*Originally posted by Princhester *
**Oh for goodness’ sake, Lekatt. Please tell me you know you are not dealing with the question and that you are obfuscating. Please. **

I don’t have any idea what you want. Are you trying to trick me into saying something. As far as the reading goes, no one in my family died of cancer.

I have answered your question many times now, so if you have something else in mind, please let me know. Just put your cards on the table, we are after truth here.

[Princhester]

Look it’s perfectly simple. Do you or do you not know about your fathers’s side of your family? Yes or no?

[Phoenix_Dragon]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
Then I explained to you how if someone had died that were geneations removed from my knowledge it would make no difference in the reading.

Oh… So the reading can only cover stuff you have knowledge of, personally? No need to go digging into the past, or asking family members? Okay. So when are you going to condemn the psychic on the Larry King show for telling one of her callers the exact same thing we’re telling you? He doesn’t know; “go ask your family.” You don’t know; “it doesn’t count!”

Any chance you’re going to answer about that ‘test’ proposal, or are you just avoiding it, now?

[Meatros]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
** Psychics get their information from the deceased (spirits) standing around the person being read. Now links are made between people through emotions, good or bad.
**

Is this true for all psychics? I thought that some just saw visions and what not? How do they see the future (or am I thinking of some other type of medium)?

[Mr.Miskatonic]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
**
I have never known a psychic to condemn, judge and ridicule people in any manner as is done on this board. **

Blindness is sad.

I give you Earl Gordon Curley , who accused all skeptics who doubted him of being pedophiles.

Bruce Daniel Kettler, self proclaimed “Certified” psychic who accuses all skeptics of being in a “CULT”.

Then there’s astrolger Ed Hienz Wollmann who’s abuse of the abuse process on USENET is beyond the pale.

Also Pete Stapleton, who accused skeptics of being “heron” addicts (his typo, not mine) recently files defamation lawsuits against skeptics. All that have seen any courttime have been summarily tossed out of court without any defense being mounted.

There are very few self-claimed psychics I have encountered who were not abusive, evasive, or both.

[GOM]

*Originally posted by Mr. Miskatonic *
**

There are very few self-claimed psychics I have encountered who were not abusive, evasive, or both. **

hmmm

And this proves what, in your mind?

P.S. Are you somehow comparing “psychics” with lawyers?

[GOM]

*Originally posted by Meatros *
**Is this true for all psychics? I thought that some just saw visions and what not? How do they see the future (or am I thinking of some other type of medium)? **

Not from what I’ve heard and read. Some do see visions but there seems to be a wide variety of ways they claim to receive information. Some of them claim to be able to bilocate, meaning they can function where they are but be able to view (I think this is where the term remote viewing comes from) another location at the same time.

I think the future stuff is mostly through visions.

[Meatros]

*Originally posted by GOM *
**hmmm

And this proves what, in your mind?

P.S. Are you somehow comparing “psychics” with lawyers?

**

I think it disproves this

I have never known a psychic to condemn, judge and ridicule people in any manner as is done on this board.

in his mind.

[Meatros]

*Originally posted by GOM *
**Not from what I’ve heard and read. Some do see visions but there seems to be a wide variety of ways they claim to receive information. Some of them claim to be able to bilocate, meaning they can function where they are but be able to view (I think this is where the term remote viewing comes from) another location at the same time.

I think the future stuff is mostly through visions. **

Interesting. So some are able to bilocate. IIRC GOM you believe that psychics are a deception, correct? Would this extend to bilocating psychics? If so, why? If they can see into the next room, how is that a deception? (Of course I could be misstating you entirely, and if so I apologize).

I wonder, would you agree with GOM definition of where psychics claim to get their powers from Lekatt?

[RedFury]

*Originally posted by Phoenix Dragon *
**I think it’s just one of those cases of patience not always being a virtue. Sure, standing your ground and fighting the good fight despite all odds is a valiant effort of preserverance. But bashing your head against a brick wall for days on end is not… I’m starting to think it’s about time to leave the brick wall be, it’s not going anywhere **

Yep, that was pretty much my conclusion oh…about eight pages ago

I honestly see no difference between a fundamental zealot and what has been on display here by the ones arguing for the ‘validity’ of psychic phenomena. No matter how many times you bash them over the head with factual information, if it doesn’t fit their ‘spiritual’ worldview, you ain’t getting anywhere.

Psychic: “I see dead people”

Skeptic: “Prove it”

Psychic: “No. You disprove it”
And on and on and on…