lekatt said:
If it is truly a skill that can be learned, you ought to be able to provide some evidence that it even exists, right?
Right?
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<crickets chirping>
How can we, the un-psychic, learn this skill?
this “skill” can be learned. its called cheating people.
Not that you’d want to learn it though…
vanilla said:
Well, that depends on if you want your own TV show or not.
I’m trying to assume that psychic phenomenon is real (which I don’t believe); if we can learn it then we can get a better glimpse at it’s properties, right? Also once learned we could subject ourselves to experiments to determine whether or not it is indeed a true phenomenon.
In other words, we don’t have to rely on a “psychic” who will deny to be tested or come up with excuses why his/her test should be invalidated, we can test ourselves.
If Lekatt will tell us how we can learn to be a psychic, then surely he would accept the results of the tests we submit ourselves too, right?
Or am I off on my thinking here?
I can turn myself invisible, but only when skeptics aren’t looking at me. My friend can confirm this, in case anybody needs proof. I even have photographic evidence.
After 16 pages I think that’s about where we are in this thread.
They are frauds, clearly relying on camera tricks and misdirection. My invisibility skill is genuine.
Negative ESP???
That’s a new one on me!
Although, now that I think about it, that could describe some of my history test results.
Ok, to answer most, the spiritual lies within you. When you look out upon the world you see the physical, materialist. When you look within yourself you see your true nature, the spiritual. When you die, you body falls down, but you are still there in the spirit that you always were. In order to discovery the spiritual self, or highter self, or soul, whatever, you go within.
There are many ways, meditation is the most common, moment living is another, the mind is cleared of all thoughts, not easy, and then the discovery will begen. NDEs do this in minutes, because the body is dead, meditation takes longer and there are many kinds. The essential point is clearing the mind, focusing withing.
I am now going to find the real post I made that seems to keep poping up distorted, and I won’t be back until I do.
Love
Leroy
What does any of that have to do with psychic “skills?”
Good idea. Nobody else here can be trusted to know how to read, or use the “quote” button properly. We’re all skeptics. (A word which, when used by lekatt, seems to have all the kindness and love of “faggot.”}
Here is the post, the whole post, and nothing but the post. You will notice no, I repeat, no claims made of any kind, thank you.
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Leroy
The words are yours not mine.
It has everything to do with psychic skills, you will need to discover your spirituality before you can use it to gather information.
Love
Leroy
This:
…is a claim:
Simple. It’s a fact. No matter how many times you say it isn’t a claim, it does not cease to be so. You claimed that you called 19 out of 20 unborn children. You claimed that you called 7 flips accurately. In fact, to say you didn’t claim these is a flat-out lie, because you yourself posted it!
Thanks for posting your previous posting again, but it really wasn’t necessary, it says exactly what I said it did. Not only the bit where you claim to have completed remarkable feats (predicting coin tosses and genders of unborn babies) but the bit where you say:
You seem somewhat conflicted, Lekatt. You quite clearly say that you have an ability, and that sometimes you can do wonders. You also say that your ability is brittle, and that sometimes you cannot do wonders. You are at pains to say that you claim no ability, in the same paragraph as you have just stated that you have an ability.
I’m not sure what to make of this really. Rather than have me engage in an attempt to explain your motives in writing such a paragraph, perhaps it would be better if you explained what ib earth you mean.
ib = on
Touch typists will understand.
You should also be aware lekatt that:
(emphasis mine)
is a strongly implied claim that you can tell a real psychic from a fake because you are a real psychic, particularly when it’s followed by:
(emphasis mine)
You can’t have it both ways. You either have to concede that you claim to have these abilities, or you admit you spoke incorrectly, or lied.
Reposted again
quote:
Originally posted by lekatt
My answer is the same as the first time, things I can’t or don’t know is simply things I can’t check or eliminate. Perhaps if you give me a list of some of those “things” I could better answer you.
(below) Here I say “it takes one to know one”, but, I do not say that it is me. Then I go on to explain how I would tell. I think this is clear.
Most of the rest of your post centers around how can I tell a real psychic from a fake one. The old saying “it takes one to know one” is appropriate. I look for a lot of things, the words used, the attitude, the feelings I get from them, and sometimes I can see what they see. I don’t remember ever being totally wrong about anyone’s psychic ability. John and James ability appear better than it is due to film editing, but I am comfortable with the fact they are both real psychics.
If others don’t agree it’s ok, I wish we all could have a reading from them, It would be great fun.
(below) this is a disclamer of my ability. Nothing hard to understand here.
My ability is brittle, it comes and goes, sometimes I can do wonders and sometimes not. I claim no ability so I won’t make a fool of myself.
***(below) Here I make a statement, repeat statement, not a claim and end the paragraph with another disclamer. ***
I am called Yoda were I work and when one of the women get pregnate they ask me what the sex of the baby will be, I have missed one time in about 20 tries. A skeptic once laughed at me and pulled a coin out of his pocket and asked me to to call the flip. After 7 straight accurate calls he pocketed his coin and walked off. Now could I repeat this, who knows, maybe, maybe not. The psychic world is not science it is not black and white ever.
Love
Leroy
I quoted this again for the last time. I see no reason why anyone can’t understand it as written in the first place. Your insistence on manipulating the words and meanings lead me to believe there is a “hidden agendy” or maybe an ambush you wish to spring on me. I suggest that you just go ahead and do your dirt and get it over with so you will feel better.
As I said I will not discuss this post again.
Love
Leroy
Not all posting on this board are skeptics. However, I can’t understand how you arrived at the next statement.
I am thinking maybe you are puting me into the christian catagory.
I am not religious, not christian, belong to no religious org.
I have never said a bad word about gays on this board or any other, if you check my site you will find I take up for them against the christians.
Spiritual people, like me, follow a path of love and understanding to all people. We are non judgemental, forgiving and compassionate, or at least we try very hard to be.
So, if your remark was directed at me, it was inappropriate.
Love
Leroy
My added emphasis in bold.
You do say that one can tell psychics if you are one. You do say that you don’t remember ever being wrong about anyone’s psychic ability. The conclusion that you are therefore saying that you have psychic ability is inescapable.
You do claim a psychic ability, that sometimes allows you to do wonders.
You do make statements (claims, statements, pettifogging whatever) that you have at times achieved extraordinary feats of coin and gender prediction, and you say that in the context of the “psychic world”.
I am happy to see that you are being sensible and that you will not discuss this sorry saga again.