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You don’t seem to have much confidence in the Japanese police force. If they say he solved a case, are you saying they are liars or they are just incompetent?
Btw, if Ed is assigned 10 cases (I don’t know how many tries he is going to make) I would be surprised if he solves more than one. His track record is not very good, although he claims otherwise.
I’m trying. But, there’s so much about the Metaconscious mind we don’t know. Certain techniques will Acualize some people. Some people will spontaneously Actualize. It’s an equation with an unknown number of variables.
Yes, but psychic claim to have powers, that’s where the burden of proof lies first. They prove they have powers, then we’ll do the cold reading proof test. 
Wow! Does that hurt?
:eek:
You bet it does. Actualization drastically changes the relationship between you and the universe. Think of The Matrix. Or, remember the moment you understood that people died.
I had a mentor to guide me through the process. Even with his help, there were problems. I wondered if I was simply hallucinating. He assured me that I was not. Then, I began to wonder if his response to my question was also a hallucination. After that, I didn’t sleep or eat for three days.
When an individual spontaneously Actualizes, they must endure alone. They can see things no one else can see. They can do things no one else can do. Their friends and family cannot help them , or even understand the problems the Actualized individual faces. There is now a great rift between them that no amount of love or effort can bridge.
But they do get a free toaster and matching oven mitts. And sometimes a wifty labcoat. I like my labcoat. It’s paisley. It wasn’t when I started, mind you.
Psychics provide a performance that is indistinguishable from cold reading.
[ul][li]Cold reading is known to exist; demonstrations have been given and magicians have admitted to using it. Its existance fits well with modern-day psychology and it does not require revision of any known physical laws of the universe. Therefore it is an unremarkable claim and mainstream science.[/li]
[li]True psychic ability has never been conclusively shown to exist in a manner satifactory to all parties. If it does exist, it would require serious revision of most known physical laws of the universe. Therefore it is a fantastic claim.[/ul][/li]Those who make unremarkable claims do not require vast amounts of proof; but those who challenge the known scientific body of knowledge need an extraordinary amount of proof to be convincing.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and fucks like a duck, chances are it surely is a damn duck. Psychics look like they are using cold reading even if they claim otherwise; their performance closely matches the characteristics of ducks in every way. Therefore, unless strong evidence is offered to the contrary, it is logical to assume they are ducks.
Firstly, SimonX, this post is over eleven-hundred posts long, with over 200 by lekatt. You have 80; for me this is 4. At this point, it’s like throwing food on a banquet. I kinda got the impression that this thread had been publicly deemed a lost cause anyway, if not a health hazard.
lekatt, I an currently co-existing on the Descartes proof of existence thread, so don’t try and tell me what ‘proof’ is. We’ve pretty much determined that you can’t prove hardly anything, wether it’s that psychic powers exist, or that you have two legs. I’ve studied in formal symbolic logic; I know what a ‘proof’ is. Telling me otherwise is about as polite as if I told you, without even looking at your evidence, that you were a damnedfool and tht you were lying about having a NDE.
If you don’t start being civil to me soon, I’m going to stop being civil to you.
Yes, I know that you are arguing from the point of view of evidence. Hovever, everyone arguing from the point of view of evidence should be aware that they can be proven wrong as new information comes to light. Unless you know everything, then you could be wrong about things.
This is a fundamental part of science. If it wasn’t, scientists would be telling you that you live on a flat earth, atoms couldn’t be split, and that the sun orbited the earth.
And I asked for no links! Have you no respect for my wishes?
lekatt, this is a quote from your website, which I assume you wrote:
This is a good example of why few people are agreeing with you. Actually, I find this statement hilariuous, in a sick, depraved way.
You seem to be saying, “scientists may have explained now the brain, left to itself, can have a NDE all by itself. But we can ignore those since I’m not there to see them.” How do you know you weren’t there to see them? If you had stayed in your head, you would have experienced the phenomena, which would have felt like an OOB experience.
And, in case you are wondering, Pam Reynolds proves nothing. Consider this case:
Pretend, just imagine, that whenever the human brain is returning from a ‘death’ state, it plays back a NDE to the person who owns the brain. Kinda like, when you start your car, all your status indicators come on. They don’t really mean that you’re out of oil, overheating, etc. Its just that happens as things are getting ready to function normally.
People would occasionally experience such trauma, that would interrupt the normal functioning of the brain. This would cause the brain to reset itself; a “warm boot” in computer terminology. As the brain gets itself in order, it registers upon the occupant a NDE. And, far from being surprising, it would be expected of a person being revived from an induced-death state. When the mind is producing the images, the passage of time can be illusory; you can have a dream that seems to take days; yet, you only slept a few hours. There is no reason that the NDE couldn’t have occured during the time she was being revived, after brain activity had resumed.
In theory this is a noble sentiment (give or take arbitrarily calling my definitions illogical :mad: ) except, you have not yet convinced me that your view is correct. But, the only proof you have offered is that it is what you have observed. Well, according to that, the sun does orbit the earth, is the same size as the moon, burrows under the ground every night, and is occasionally eaten by the moon, portending frightening events to come.
We can talk about psychics later. In my opinion, you have better ‘evidence’ for NDEs, since you actually experienced one, and with psychics you have merely experienced reports about or by them. Unless you are claiming to be a psychic? (I’d ask for a demonstration, of course. Tell me what I look like, or something.)
Nothing of the sort. IIRC, Dame’s claims aren’t that he can solve crimes but that he can acquire info that is otherwise unobtainable.
Other psychics claim to have helped solved crimes. The actual “help” that I’ve seen involves a wide variety of things that don’t seem that helpful. Take for example the vague prediction. If a psychic makes a claim like the evidence you need is near water. The psychic might take credit when the evidence is found near a swimming pool, an ocean or under a bathroom sink.
The psychic will take credit, some police might even give credit.
What if he claims that his powers tell him that a killer has burned all of the evidence and has since committed suicide. Case closed- He solved the crime. B.S.
The whole bit about solving crimes is irrelevant. Solving crimes and/or convincing police that he has PPP’s are not at issue.
For me to believe that Dames can do what he claims to do, (acquire info that is unobtainable except through paranormal psychic powers), he just needs to do what he claims to do.
There needs to be no reasonable doubt that he actually provided info, (e.g. no vague guess BS, AND the info is verifiable), no reasonable doubt that the info is otherwise unobtainable except through PPP.
In addition, I question the impartiality of the cops who are involved in setting up the demo.
I find it really amusing that you continually try to draw a distinction between “skeptics” and “the general public”–as though the vast majority of the population believes wholeheartedly in TV psychics and there is a small, sinister faction of hateful individuals hiding out, cackling madly and rubbing their hands with glee while they form plots about how to take down those pristine-hearted, unsullied by critical thought television psychics (and in between foiled plots, they kick puppies).
I don’t know a single person who believes in any way that John Edwards or James Van Praagh are actually contacting the dead. I know quite a few people who believe in the possibility of psychic phenomena–but I don’t know anyone who thinks that those who perform on TV are for real.
~mixie
Hold up a moment. Just because someone “solves” a crime that the police havn’t, doesn’t make him psychic. PIs have done that, and I doubt many of them would claim to be psycic. Further more, if he’s going in to do this, there’s also a real possibility he’s not doing a cold reading, but a hot reading. He could have had people investigating for him, found out a very solid lead that should break the case, and they goes over and puts on an act of it “coming to him.”
It’s about as far from a controlled test as we could get.
Fair enough. I guess you know what you’re getting into. I didn’t mean it as a command nor instruction, just a warning. 
Lekatt has posted some strings of words that when read together as sentences seem indistinguishable from claims to have psychic abilities. When this was pointed out, he claimed that there were no such things as psychic abilities but rather that they were skills. He also says that the things that he posted, that sure look like claims of paranormal psychic skills, have to be “twisted” in order to get that inetrpretation from them. If you’d really like and you ask, I’ll search the words up and quote them for you. They’re in this mess somewhere several times. Lekatt posted each set of them once originally, then different people twisted them, I mean, quoted them, and when Lekatt responded, he often reposted the entire post of the person who was qouting him.
Howdy, SimonX, your warnings are appreciated. You probably wonder why I’m bothering; what can I say, I’m a charitable guy. Let’s just say I’m giving him a chance to ‘repent’. Obviously, there’s a good chance that he’s going to engage in a lot of unsavory practices such as irrational replies, groundless claims, groundless personal accusations and impolite posting practices; he’s already done so in his response to my post. But, before I renounce his humanity, he gets at least one, probably two more chances to start behaving in a manner becoming his species.
One can’t debate when he is constantly misquoted, I said “powers” not ability. Your posts should not be taken seriously until you quote accurately.
Just wanted you to know that I also have training in symbolic logic and debating and negotiating. Used to negotiate labor contracts. Finding proof is a simple process, it is finding truth.
But it doesn’t matter, I can see by your post you know everything I am going to say and have your mind made up. Forget it.
When the moment of truth arrives, all understand.
Love
Leroy
Perhaps you could point out the posts in this thread where you believe you were mis-quoted? That shouldn’t be difficult for a man of your abilities and powers, should it?
Just wondering…is this an accurate quote?
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originally posted by lekatt
But it doesn’t matter, I can see by your post you know everything I am going to say and have your mind made up. Forget it.
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This is actually a misquote; any quote which does not include the entire text is a misquote. Duh.
Wait, did lekatt just bail out? Did he flee in fear of my great and powerfull powerfullnes? Perhaps I out-cooled him. 
P.S: Training isn’t expertise. Proof isn’t truth. Truth isn’t simple.
…Hmm. I seem to have misplaced my / key. Perhaps it was out-of-body at the time.
Seldom can I recall a poster who has made such a sustained attack on his own credibility.