Lekatt, If your stories etc. are based on facts then you should say that I am supporting your stories and adding to your credibility by examining the facts.
If your stories etc. are not based on facts, then you would have reason to say that I was “trying to discredit” you.
You should be cheering me on knowing that my research will show that you were indeed on board the USS Willett DE 354 during hurricane Audrey in June of 1957.
It’s hard to come up with a charitable reason that you should associate fact-checking with an attempt to discredit you- but I’m trying.
That psychics are not doing what they say they are doing, or that there is no God, or that NDEs are not real, just hallucinations. Just show me hard evidence of anything.
I don’t want opinions, theories, maybes, etc. Show me the hard stuff. I have asked for this many times. Then go back a few pages and read the numerous links I provided. They included controlled research, veridial NDEs, scientific studies of psychics, etc.
You’ve posted evidence? :eek: Now this truly is a surprise-where was it? Certainly not from those links in this thread.
You have received plenty of evidence against psychics-you choose to ignore it. It doesn’t jive with your world view and their for you think it and anyone who accepts it is a fool.
The only way you would accept that psychics don’t exist is if God came down here and told you…even then I think it would take a a lot of convincing from God.
Just wondering, Lekatt, what do you do with all the publicly acclaimed psychics who have either 1) recanted, confessing that they used trickery during their successful careers, or 2) been exposed, during their seances or public demonstrations, as resorting to indisputable trickery of the basest sort–i.e., the use of costumes, phosphorescent paint, accomplices, etc.
For some reason, you seem to think that everything worth knowing is accessible with weblinks, but, of course, that’s not right. However, there are hundreds of cases, documented in various places, going back a hundred and fifty years, of these sorts of confessions and exposes. If you must have a weblink, try searching at Amazon for “The Psychic Mafia.” If you want to read a sampling of accounts of fraud in psychic displays, go to: http://www.spirithistory.com/matter.html
The links there to the saga of the Bangs Sisters is particularly interesting because by going to: http://www.noahsarksoc.fsnet.co.uk/mediums/the_bangs_sisters.htm
one can see that there are still those who can convince themselves, despite plenty of hard evidence against it, that the “phenomena” of the Bangs Sisters were produced without fraud.
You’re asking for the impossible. Science cannot test God, and certainly cannot disprove God as you are asking. Personally I think DNA alone is overwhelming evidence of God. If you were walking on a beach on an island where you thought you were the only one there, but found your name written in the sand, outlined with 500 rocks, you would immediately conclude there was another person on that island.
DNA is essentially extremely advanced programming, done with chemicals. Humans have only been able to program for roughly the past six decades. It takes intelligence to program and the programming in DNA is far beyond our current capability. The implication is obvious, but some reject the evidence because it makes them extremely uncomfortable thinking about having to eventually face God.
JE: Sylvia pardon me a minute. I’m getting something very strong here. Coming through very strong. Fluffy, did you have a four-legged relative who barked sometimes? Yes. Yes. Now this relative, I don’t know if she was male or if he was female? I don’t know if this relative had maybe a special toy? A ball… or rubber bone…or frisbee…or stuffed animal…or some sort of chew toy? Now, I don’t know, did this relative have a favorite person? And did this favorite person like to play with your relative and the special toy? They did? Well, from the other side your relative says that you are in a doggy heart and still loved. Sylvia: Yeah me too. I was getting the exact same message. Fluffy says thank you Jon.
Looks like you’re using your own psychic abilities, to read the minds and define the intentions of those who disagree with you about DNA. Do you have evidence to support your assertion about why people reject your understanding of DNA? As it stands, it seems arrogant to assume you can divine the thinking and intentions of others. I thought that kind of judgement was to be left to God, according to my understanding of Christian theology. Of course, I’l always willing to learn; perhaps you can show where believers are called upon to determine other’s intentions.
—DNA is essentially extremely advanced programming, done with chemicals. Humans have only been able to program for roughly the past six decades. It takes intelligence to program and the programming in DNA is far beyond our current capability. The implication is obvious,—
What is the implication, exactly? Don’t just jump to it: defend it in logical, sequential steps.
The Bangs sisters were on the level in their day, as Miss Cleo is today. They were not part of the psychic community nor were they recognized as authentic. Even if we give you this as one, now where are all the rest you say are out there. I, for one, don’t know about them.
Please tell us about all those psychics who “confessed.”
Yes, I know what you say is true. But that don’t keep the skeptics from saying differently.
I like your DNA analysis, it is something new to consider. When I was very young, I wondered why I was the unique person that I am. It was and still is a continuing mystery. But it has helped me look at others on a personal basis. At this level much learning can take place.
I trust your knowledge of DNA is as extensive as your knowledge of evolution, which is to stay that you know nothing at all about DNA, as you’ve admitted knowing nothing about evolution.
Brought out is probably an accurate description of the process. Brought out from the subjects responses. Some readings are hot readings.
I’m not sure if debunkers dismiss the possibility of communication with spirits so much as they dismiss the probability of person A communicating with spirits.
I suspect that they say it because it is what they think will advance the idea that they really are talking to the dead.
I can only hypothesize. I wonder what psychic/ mediums said in a time period like 1100 CE in England. I bet it didn’t involve reincarnation.
Hear here!
Phony psychic believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of Bob, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
