I’m not saying I agree with your findings, but I would like to know how they prove God did it?
To take a page from P&T, why isn’t it just as likely that Aliens “designed” us, as the Raelins (sp?) believe? Couldn’t it be equally as possible that ancient aliens came here and put the first life forms here and that they tampered with the DNA, in effect intelligently designing it?
If you mean “do we accept it for consideration,” sure. If you mean “do we accept it as proof,” no. It’s one case, not proof. Just like psychic power, 1 case does not a proper study make.
Post 1500! Woo Hoo!
http://www.randi.org for all your psychic needs.
You’ve hit exactly on the future position that many evolutionists will buy into, imo. Why? Because they reject God, but believe in intelligent life somewhere out there.
I take the opposite position. I believe in God, but do not believe in the alleged aliens.
Btw, having aliens design life on Earth does not answer the question of how the first life was created. It merely pushes the question back to another planet circling another star.
HTH
A bit of news on the JVP front is found HERE.
Don’t you mean abiogenesists? Also, I’m a bit offended that you equate evolution with atheist. You know the words aren’t synonyms right?
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**I take the opposite position. I believe in God, but do not believe in the alleged aliens.
Why are you equating evolution with atheism?
True, but that’s a question for those who espouse abiogenesis, not evolution.
I really don’t think I should post this because I feel a full-fledge debate about to erupt. I will anyway primarily to make you aware of your evolution=atheism fallacy.
Crap, okay, in the previous post, I made this comment, not GOM:
Lekatt,
I know you believe that JVP is a swell guy and would never deceive anyone. But setting that aside for a moment, what could POSSIBLY happen, hypothetically, to convince you the James Van Pragh is not a genuine physic?
Could anything at all? What if his executive producer secretly taped a conversation where JVP carefully went over how he uses cold reading, step by step and how the process works?
IF that happened, would that cause you to change your mind about him at all?
I don’t deal in hypotheticals, they are a waste of time. I have followed James’ career long before he became a “star”, I know how he got where he is and why he is doing it.
Skeptics don’t know about psychics and they don’t know about NDEs. In all these pages I have not been asked one question that even remotely shown knowledge on the part of the questioner. The other posters have chosen to make me the object of the thread and not the ideas presented. They have even gone so far as to say it was my fault, as it they had no control on what they posted, or was not responsible for their own words and deeds. These posters are just not mature enough to handle these subjects, so there is no point continuing.
Psychics help people. Jesus was a master psychic, he could see the future, talk to the dead, heal the sick, and feed the hungry.
James does as he can within the scope of his ability, as all psychics do. They are honest, caring people. On the other hand, their detractors do nothing but criticize and belittle their efforts.
James has talked people out of committing suicide, dispelled their fear, and calmed their griefs.
Skeptics make up fantasies (alternate explanations) and without any evidence at all lay them off on honest people doing good works.
If you don’t believe in life after death, fine, just don’t impale those that do on your sword.
In my own small way, I too have stopped people from taking their lives and helped them find hope and meaning in their lives. I am proud of the letters they write me on my site.
I had no idea skeptics were such mean spirited people. I will quit posting for a while, or until some maturity can be shown on this board.
Love
Leroy
:: snif ::
We’ll all miss you, Leroy.
So what you are saying (under that sickly sugar coating) is that you are totally close minded on the subject of psychics.
Although of course it’s not as if we hadn’t really figured that out.
Psychic Flash! You said you’d leave before and you came back. You’ll be back again.
You’ll be back, and this board will be unchanged in your absense.
Thanks for all those message id#s and references to where your words were twisted. I guess all that work was just too hard for you? No, it’s a real demonstration of your superior spiritual self to make empty claims and be too lazy or incompetent to provide references. Oh, we, poor, sad skeptics, how will we handle this cold, cruel world without Lekatt’s love?
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This is a text book example of the defense mechanism of projection.
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I believe in an afterlife. However, I have seen no credible evidence of it. If you provide me with “evidence” expect me to evaluate it. And I don’t carry a sword, just Occam’s Razor.
Alright, what am I wearing, which relative of mine died recently, and what does my future hold.
That better?
So, Don Willard, who started this thread in the first place, now that Elvis has left the building, have we answered your question?
So in other words, your answer is “nothing?”
And since you didn’t answer yet, do you believe that it is impossible for someone to dream of leaving their body and being asked if they want to live or die by another character in that dream?
Not that I expect an answer, but it’s worth a try…
Presuming that this departure is as permanent as your last, lekatt, here’s another question for you.
If I have a dream about flying, would you get on a plane if I were the pilot?
Actually, no. One valid case is all that’s necessary. For example, one valid Bigfoot body would be enough proof for even the most rabid skeptic.
As far as making a study of NDEs, exactly how do you propose to do that? You cannot kill a bunch of people and then hope you can revive all of them to conduct your study. You seem to be under the misimpression that anything that cannot be studied in a lab is not real…
I’m not sure why you would be offended. You should not have been. When you reread my post you will see that I said “many” evolutionists, not “all” evolutionists.
However, it is my observation that evolution does indeed lead some people into atheism. I’ve seen that exact trend posted by several people on a variety of message boards. This is extremely sad.
You’re right. One valid Bigfoot body would be enough proof. One demonstrably valid case of an NDE would be enough. The problem is in the demonstrably part.
I don’t have the slightest idea how to set up a study of NDEs. I certainly wouldn’t want to be involved in a Flatliners type of test. On the other hand, when other tests, not explicitly aimed at NDEs demonstrate results that are consistent with the reported characteristics of an NDE, and those results can be explained in a rational way, I’m inclined to consider that as evidence that there’s a logical, non-paranormal explanation for the experience.
The same goes for psychics. When acknowledged cold reading demonstrations produce the same (or even better in some cases) results as the performances of so called psychics, I consider the cold reading to be the logical, non-paranormal explanation of what the psychics are doing. Particularly when an examination of a transcript of a psychic reading shows it to be identical to an acknowledged cold reading.
I don’t require labratory analysis before I accept that something is real, but when dealing with claims of entities or experiences that are outside the realm of what’s commonly considered natural, I need proof.