Sorry, Princhester. But since the thing is well and truly part of the thread, I figure we should pin it down. After that, we switch back to the main topic.
This is my last attempt, I promise. NDE’s are not well and truly part of this thread, this thread is 30 pages long and NDE’s have only been brought up in the last page or so. They will only stop being part of this thread if you stop making posts about them. Why don’t you just invite Lekatt to join you to discuss NDE’s further in the NDE thread, and raise your questions there? Your rather touching if somewhat naive (:)) belief that you will ever pin Lekatt down on anything is misguided. Unless you make a decision to stop, you will still be arguing with Lekatt over NDE’s in this thread in 30 pages.
That’s it, I’ve said all I’m going to say, if other posters want to keep up this hijack I will keep quiet, but I’d ask them humbly not to.
How could I resist such a kind plea. During the NDE I was out of body and asked if I wanted to live or die by the spirit near (holding) me. I decided for life. I could have died had I wanted to, a choice many NDEers don’t have.
One of the defining marks on the NDE is talk of death.
I actually had written a lot more but deleted it due to the nature of the posters on this board.
Do you believe it is impossible for someone to dream of floating out of their body and be asked if they want to live or die by a character in that dream?
And just to add my voice to the many:
Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
Do you think it would have taken me three years to get over a dream. There is a great, great different between a dream and a NDE. You are really using your lawyer skills now.
I already answered the other question.
I have no intention of playing your word games. So I guess I lose, if that makes you happy.
Love
Leroy
I’m not playing word games. You are just avoiding answering a simple question. You can say you’ve answered it all you like. You haven’t, we can all see that, don’t bother with another of your lies. You have not given any indication at all of what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake. You have said only that you don’t think that he is fake. We know that. You’ve told us over and over.
We are asking the question because we want to see if you are totally close minded on the subject (which is how it seems) or whether there is (theoretically speaking) any sort of evidence that you would ever accept as sufficient to show that JVP was a fake.
Your reluctance to even answer the question tends to suggest that you know that a truthful answer by you would be very uncomfortable for you: that a truthful answer would be that nothing would ever persuade you that JVP was a fake. In other words, that you are (as we suspect) totally and utterly close minded, and that your accusations about skeptics would be better applied to yourself.
Prove me wrong.
What evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
You didn’t answer my question (Seems to be a pattern). Do you believe it is impossible for someone to dream that?
And yes, it is possible that it could take someone three years to “get over” a dream. Not that I am not saying that it is what happened, but that it is possible.
No you didn’t. You asserted that JVP was a real psychic because “He didn’t get there with trickery. He got where he is because he is a very good psychic.” You state that he is a psychic, and he is not a fake (In your opinion). You have not stated what you believe would be acceptable evidence that JVP is a fake.
So again, Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
It’s a very simple question, and the absolute refusal to answer the question directly is speaking wonders as to how open/closed your mind is…
Why not?
What evidence would persuade you that JVP is a fake?
Humpty Dumpty “. . . . There’s glory for you!”
“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory’,” Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t - till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’”
“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master - that’s all.”
- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass, Chapter VI
That was perfect Papermache Prince! 
A quick question/point about the NDE’s, while I think they do hijack this thread a bit, I think they are somewhat relevant.
Didn’t Lekatt say something about becoming a psychic after a NDE? I could have sworn he did, but I’m not sure now.
Prince- The official theme song of this thread shalll now be the Battle Hymn Of The Republic.
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Meatros,
As untwistedly as I can here is what Lekatt said:
Please refer to the original as well for further contextual info.
Lekatt, the only one playing word games here is you. You won’t answer a direct question with a direct answer.
Let me try and make this simple and clear for you.
What would you, Lekatt, accept as evidence that James Van Praagh is a fake? Hypothetically if you like.
There’s no way to confuse that, is there?
Ah. You see, there’s your slipup. Ever hear the phrase "there’s a sucker born every minute? The new numbers are in, there are three born every minute.
Good question.
Okay. Now for a serious answer. Yesterday I was joking around.
The reason this thread draws such a remarkable response is because the OP touches on a question that has puzzled billions of people for thousands of years. It is pretty close to being the ultimate question of all time: **What happens to us when we die?
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The Bible tells us that our physical body will indeed die, but our soul lives forever. I have to take that on faith, as I also take God on faith. However the reason I included some posts about DNA is because many skeptics claim there is no evidence for God. I say the evidence for God is now overwhelming, since we can examine God’s work in the programming of life.
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Btw, I would love to get a message from my dead grandfathers, or my two dead brothers. But I do not expect that to happen until I get to heaven.
Your evidence however is subject to interpretation and in and of itself is opening up a huge can of worms that is better left to another thread. That’s why I asked you if you wanted to debate it in another thread-because I’m quite sure that a lot of people would find your evidence quite debateable.
Do you see what I’m saying? If I sound harsh, I’m not meaning to be.
I do see and you don’t sound harsh. However Lekatt has been getting bashed pretty good in this thread and I primarily posted it for him to consider. I have never seen him post in the other threads I participate in, so I thought he might miss the DNA info if I put in another thread.
Skeptics often claim there is no evidence for God, or spiritual beings of any type. While I agree that God, dead people and angels/demons cannot be tested in a laboratory, I disagree completely about the claim that there is no evidence for God. God seems like a perfectly valid point of discussion in a thread about the Great Beyond.
If you want to talk death, you need to mention Dannion Brinkley’s case. Not sure about the spelling of his name, but he’s been dead three times. The first time he was fried by lightning. He was out of his body, with no vital signs, for around 20 minutes. It might have been 18 minutes, or it might have been over 20 minutes. I don’t remember exactly, but he’s a world famous NDE experiencer.
Do you therefore accept his testimony?