I hit the submit button too fast. I also wanted to say:
Just because I wasn’t there doesn’t mean I can’t offer an alternative explanation, based on the description of the incident and my own experience, something which you are so fond of telling us is all that matters.
You can offer all the alternative explanations you want, but they are meaningless since you weren’t there and don’t know what happened.
I think some of the skeptics here have called me a credophile or something like that because I believe my own experiences. I think that is a lot better than just making up fantasies and believing in them as if they are real as you are doing.
It took me about three years to “recover” from that experience, about the average, in that I mean to be able to live in a world gone mad with greed, dishonesty, postering, and egotism. A world that can’t focus and stay focused on the tasks at hand.
But I have learned to be patient, I know all will learn in their own time and their own way.
Love
Leroy
Lekatt, if you really, truly believe that you experienced a Near Death Experience, then why can’t you perform the simple task of explaining to me and everyone else why you feel it was a Near Death Experience? From your own account, you were sleeping, you woke up (or thought you woke up) and had this revelatory experience. How were you near death? I agree you probably did experience something profound and life-changing, fine. Where does the death part come in?
~mixie
Noooo, not because you believe your own experiences(at least not entirely). Because, based on your presence here, you believe guys like Van Praagh and Edward, and refuse to accept credible evidence that they are nothing but cold (or hot) reading showmen, rather than psychics.
Because, based on your presence here, you refuse to consider rational explanations for your experiences.
Because, based on your presence here, anything which is spiritual or mystical in origin is more appealing to you than anything rooted in the natural - yes, I said natural world.
You, based on your presence here, prefer the supernatural because you apparently can’t handle the thought that the world you see around you is all there is. Guess what? It’s still an amazing place even without spirits and paranormal powers.
Speaking as an atheist, I think it’s an all the more astonishing universe because it developed according to probabilities rather than because it was “intelligently designed.”
People, PLEASE
This trainwreck is bad enough already. Lekatt is hard enough to pin down as it is. Can we quit with the Evolution and NDE stuff? Both of those topics have threads aplenty elsewhere, the latter already has it’s very own Lekatt trainwreck and by turning this into a general “discussion of interesting topics” thread we will increase the chances that the mods will decide that this thread has exceeded its useful life.
SimonX is doing a great job of asking a simple relevant question and refusing to give up till he gets an answer. Let’s not allow Lekatt and any other psychic defenders to hide in a whole load of noise about other topics.
Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
Yeah, Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
I join Photopat in AGAIN asking Lekatt the question, “What WOULD persuade you that JVP is a fake?”
If Lekatt continues to refuse to answer this one simple question, how about we all quit posting and declare that we have won the debate?
[sub]One minute we’re cats, the next, we’re sheep![/sub]
(cue battle background noise)Winners? In this thread there can be no winners.
WRONG!!! Of course, we’ve already won.
Did you read it? The death part is there in plain language.
Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
It is not really a question, it is a bait.
James Van Praagh is a world renown psychic. He didn’t get there with trickery. He got where he is because he is a very good psychic. When asked how he does it, he replies: “I talk to dead people.” And he does just that.
What you forget or ignore is that psychics have been around for thousands of years. Time is a measure of value, things of no value don’t last long. Do you really think the millions of people who watch and follow him are duped? Give the public credit for having some intelligence. One of the traits of skeptics seem to be they think they know more than anyone else. No one is forced to go to a psychic, he doesn’t have to advertise, he is in great demand. Booked solid for at least two years.
He is building a healing center in Brazil that will be International in nature, he is doing good works, leave him alone.
Yes, we do live after death, NDEs have provided very strong evidence of that. It is just a matter of time until it is proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Love
Leroy
In your dreams, maybe. :rolleyes:
What would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
Nope, it looks like a question, it sounds like a question, gosh darn it, it is a question.
Your answer, is in effect that JVP is a great guy and therefore untouchable and must not be questioned.
That ain’t the way it is around here.
So, Lekatt, what evidence would persuade you that JVP was a fake?
Or are you saying “none, he is untouchable” in which case frankly, you lose, game over.
I don’t understand, Leroy. Where in the cause of the event were you near death or in a life-threatening experience? You were in your bed at home, correct?
Aaagh, now even mods are hijacking! 
E-Sabbath could you please take your NDE argument off to the thread involving Lekatt on that topic and stop allowing him to avoid the topic of this thread, which is psychics, goddamit!
Yes, I read it, several times in fact. I fail to see where you almost died. Could you please indulge me and point it out, here on the board? Due to board rules, I won’t post the whole thing here, but here is a link for anyone who wants to read it.
To summarize: You were sleeping, you woke up (or thought you did), you heard a voice in your head, it asked you “Do you wish to continue here or would you like to go on?” to which you replied “I want to continue, of course”. You felt energy, had a spiritual revelation, felt a lot of love, and went back to sleep.
Okay… so where’s the death part? Where’s the part where your heart stopped and you were rushed to the hospital only to be yanked from the brink of death at the very last second? Where’s the part where you were drowning and were about to die but…
Or the part where you got into a car accident and… Where’s the physical symptoms? Where’s the death part?
I’ve had many, many conversations in dreams that seemed very real upon waking, some that involved major spiritual revelations. That doesn’t mean they were near death experiences.
Please, Lekatt, I’m really truly asking you. Why is this a near death experience? Can’t you, for once, give me a straight out, non-cryptic, non-vague, plain English answer?
~mixie