Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2

As someone (maybe in this thread) mentioned, if insurance companies stopped covering these payouts, it would end in a hurry.

Municipalities buy insurance policies to cover civil judgments against them? If so, wouldn’t the premiums be based on the risk of a payout as determined by the insurer? In other words, wouldn’t a city be motivated to reduce the likelihood of a payout by training their officers not to do stupid stuff, so as to reduce the cost of the premiums they have to pay for the insurance?

Yup. Some, not all, do. Some are ‘self insured’

That seems like a safe assumption.

It would appear not.
My guess has always been that it doesn’t really matter if it doesn’t directly impact the officer(s) involved. The rates go up, the tax payers pay a few more dollars and that’s the end of it.

IMO, if you make the officer responsible for that additional premium, they’d have a reason to not do things that would require a settlement.

Something I ran across in Reddit:

I’m burying my cousin today because he had ONE drink.

This is one of the hardest days I’ve ever experienced in sobriety. He and i were the same age (42) we lived a mile apart growing up and he was my best friend. We both struggled with addiction and we both got sober 14 years ago. I stayed sober he was in and out. I got I’m back into rehab 2.5 years ago and since he’s sent me the daily reflection and we’d talk about it. Every single day for 2.5 years without fail we talked. Last Saturday night he had a fish fry with his family and some friends. He put the kids to bed and when he came downstairs I’m told he was slurring his words (he was a blackout drinker) he blacked out and his wife had to call 911 because she was afraid he was gonna hurt himself. He was shot and killed by the police shortly after they arrived.

I don’t know about the content of that post, but the title is inaccurate. Nobody blacks out because they have ONE drink.

I think the title on that post is meant to be ironic. It’s referring to the trap a lot of people in recovery fall into, where they convince themselves that they can have just “one drink” and stop. And, instead, they have a great many drinks, completely break their sobriety, and, in this case, get shot by a cop.

Alcoholics tend to develop a tolerance, to where they can be way over the legal definition of intoxicated without exhibiting typical drunkeness. This can go on for years, until they burn up their liver. When the liver goes bad, the tolerance goes backwards, and they get drunk on a teaspoonful (exaggeration).

Or, the individual in question might well have had some other health issue, and maybe did not even have a drink but just appeared to be drunk. The anecdote mentions a fish fry: fried food, IIUC, tends to affect liver metabolism, which might have made him appear to be drunk or made the “one drink” hit him hard.

Along those lines, it’s also possible that, in the two years since he stopped drinking, he’s started taking some medication that doesn’t react well with alcohol.

Technically this is law-enforcement vs law-enforcement. A cop late for work was doing 80 in a 45 with no lights or sirens. He’s pulled over by a cop in the town he was driving through. First he doesn’t pull over, then when he does he tells the officer that pulled him over that he’s on his way to work and continues on his way.

Being relieved of duty is a good start. Let’s see if he ends up in another LEO position.

That’s exactly what will happen. He’ll resign before he can be fired and then be wearing a different badge the next month.

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There’s something hinky with that site you linked, I got demanded to give my login credentials just by looking at your post, I didn’t click on the link. I’ve reported it for moderator attention.

Yes, it’s weird. But if you just click on the link while ignoring the logon request it seems to work normally.

Here is a summary of the article:

She was inside her apartment armed with a hammer. Three police officers opened fire and killed her.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment?

They had to bust him before he turned in his “ISIS handler”. It’s funny if you don’t account for the fact that the FBI is deadly serious about them having busted a terrorist.

A really sickening story, including the fact that it took nearly 6 months to fire the officers that tortured two men for several hours. Still no charges against the officers.

Woman was watching TV in her house. Cops knocked on her door. She opened the door. Cops asked her if she witnessed an accident. She said she did not.

Cops suspected she was drunk. So they did the prudent thing and arrested her. And then searched her house.

Lucky thing she is a white female. Lord knows what they would have done if a black male had owned the home.