I think this bit kind of fits in this thread.
This is flat out false:
“The settlement also makes a series of changes to Louisville Metro Police policy and practices designed to strengthen officers’ connections to the community, reform the search warrant process and make officers more accountable and their actions more transparent.
“The Taylor family said those changes were particularly important to help prevent future victims like Breonna.”
Bullshit. No way do I believe that they have to go out and canvas the area themselves to verify that it is clear. Just like a beat cop executing a warrant is not, and should not be, expected to go and question the judge who has signed a legally executed warrant. Maybe not just question the judge but go do their own independent investigation? Pffft.
Making sure the warrant is a good one is a responsibility for others in the system. The wheels of justice would grind to a halt if it were otherwise.
This is the same city where black drivers are more likely to be pulled over and 3 times more likely to be searched than white drivers?
I’m sure they’ll get right on that.
Though African Americans make up about 20% of Louisville’s driving-age population, they accounted for 33% of the stops and 57% of the 8,942 searches.
Black motorists were searched 12% of the time they were stopped, compared with 4% of the time for white drivers.
But the data shows that police found contraband in 72% of the searches of whites versus only 41% for African Americans.
All the drug war laws need to be repealed. No more searching for “contraband” unless it is for weapons used in a shooting, or bomb materials, etc.
But Black people commit a lot more violent crime per capita than white people do, so we should not be surprised or even disconcerted if, even after we get rid of the stupid drug laws, they have more contact with police than white people do.
I didn’t say that, and if you are only able to argue against straw, then I will take that as a concession on your part.
However, if a technician knows that there is a town downstream, which they would have no reason not to, and they were told to go ahead and just throw open the floodgates, which they very well would know would inundate the town, or if they could see a boater or swimmer who would be pulled under or over the dam by their actions, then they could be held personally liable, even if they were “following orders.”
To take it another step, from what iiandyiiii and others I have talked to that were nukies on a sub, they were required to make sure that any order they followed was not going to cause harm or damage, and to question or refuse any order that they didn’t think was safe to execute.
Kicking someone’s door down in the middle of the night is the sort of thing that has a very high probability of causing harm. They are charged with protecting the residents of their beat, and this action threatens harm to those they are supposed to be protecting.
I’m not saying that they should have to do their own investigation, I’m saying that they should refuse to follow an order that has a high chance of causing harm. They should absolutely question the one who gave them the order, to ensure that the reason for them creating this unsafe action is truly to promote public safety, for instance, a kidnapping or hostage situation, and refuse the order unless they are presented with evidence that shows that the risk is necessary.
And further, should they be executing such a warrant, if they encounter resistance, their first action should not to be start firing blindly, but instead, to seek cover and assess the situation.
Personally, I do think that they should be accountable for negligent homicide. I see no reason why that charge should not be applicable.
If they didn’t break any laws, then that right there is the problem. Someone is dead, because of the negligent violence of these cops, and no one is held accountable. If they cannot be charged, then laws should be made so that if this unfortunate situation happens again, then those cops would be.
Black people are charged with more violent crime, that doesn’t always mean that they actually committed it, as seen by the number of violent crimes that are unsolved, as well as the high number of black people that are wrongfully accused and/or convicted.
Separate from that, poor people commit more violent crime than affluent people, so, your point should really be that if you are poor, then you should expect to have violent contact with the police.
It’s actually a pretty fucked up position you have taken. People blame black people for the crimes that other black people are accused of, and then tell black people that have done absolutely nothing wrong that they should not be surprised or even disconcerted if they are treated as criminals.
Do you not see how the attitude that you profess here is a very good reason for black people to not trust the police?
It’s mostly white liberals, and some young Black radicals, who are against the police. Middle-aged and older Black people—Biden voters—generally would prefer a greater police presence in their neighborhoods.
Bailing hay much?
You said that we should not be disconcerted about having more contact with the police, because black people are statistically more likely to be criminals. You said this in response to people complaining about them being targeted due to their race.
The statistics that you replied to showed that white people were more likely to be carrying contraband than black people, but you claim that black people are more criminal, so we should expect them to be targeted.
I am sure that many would like to have police presence in their neighborhood, community policing. What they don’t want is having their doors kicked down in the middle of the night.
Maybe they would like competent police officers?
Louisville police officers carried out a no-knock raid at the home of Breonna Taylor despite the fact that they were repeatedly told there were no packages, “suspicious or otherwise,” delivered to the residence that could be tied to their drug investigation, according to a new report.
That’s one police department, 16,999 to go. As I said… grudgingly changing practices after nationwide protests. Every police department that pays millions of dollars in damages is likely to review their practices.
Do we need 17,000 more young women woken up in the dead of night and murdered to get the rest of the police departments in our country to change their warrant practices?
Again, in the real world, an industry that kills thousands of people a year, would work goddamn hard to cut those losses. They wouldn’t be defending every death as an unavoidable consequence of their business.
You mean like, say, the tobacco industry?
Yes, the cops are much like the tobacco industry, now that you mention it.
Don’t care who they kill, protected against liability, and it took massive amounts of political work in order to even start stemming the tide of death they are responsible for.
I went out on a limb and tried the “industry isn’t entirely soulless” gambit.
Won’t make that mistake again.
I work for a company that walks the walk on safety, we have a weekly discussion that starts with safety, and if some dude cut his finger, the CEO asks “Was he wearing the company approved hand protection? Do we need to reassess the type of gloves we provide?” Paying attention actually works.
Though, as far as I can tell, tobacco companies were not in the business of creating social disorder. They just wanted to maximize profits. The police, by contrast, cannot be highly effective, because if crime falls away, the need for them becomes questionable. They have to maintain just the right balance of chaos in order to look like they are needed while actually having enough success to not look useless.
Hay is baled, not bailed.
Did you seriously not read my repeated statements, starting with my first one on this topic, that it looks like the warrant was bogus?
Not when you are desperately shoveling it out of your sinking ship.
I initially read it as boiled. I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be much easier to eat that way.
More from Louisiana:
So this just happened in Bend, Oregon on October 3rd-Police pretending to be friendly, police ignoring multiple requests for help from several people, police ignoring wrongdoing from rightwing agitators, police grinning and letting drunk and armed rightwing agitators drive away etc.