It’s removed of course, just like Duante Wright’s facebook ganster videos but I’ll try to find it again.
Ok so how would the UK cops have stopped Bryant in this case?
How many injured? To what degree? How many other people were injured while the police subdued the person with the knife? Then adjust for population…
Are those the goalposts I see being moved? You said killed, and acted like it’s ridiculous to stop a knife-armed assailant without a gun. That’s bullshit, cops do it all the time, just not our cops. It’s just part of the job in places where guns aren’t seen as the primary way cops deal with problems.
Just part of the job in the UK, impossible ridiculousness in the US.
This is true. Cops are trained to aim at center mass. That way, if their aim is off, they can still hit something. Hitting a target, any target, is far more difficult than people think.
How convenient. I suppose we will just have to trust your recall and judgement.
Based on how poor it has been so far, I expect that the other angle shows a bouquet of flowers, rather than a knife*.
*this was sarcasm, a joke, in case you continue to not be capable of basic context.
Downside of this being true is that it is not actually a response to anything anyone has said in this thread, just things that he claims that he saw on twitter or MSM.
Right, which is why it’s dangerous for a cop to shoot in the direction of people he is supposedly trying to protect.
The initial claim in this, that less than 30% hit their target was exaggerated, or course, but the best stats that the could come up with was around 48%, but most tended to be in the mid to lower 30’s.
So yeah, there was a better than even chance that he missed the knife wielding girl, and the only backstop I see behind her are the people that he was supposedly trying to protect.
Video from across the street shows just how fast everything happened and the positions of each of the parties. I don’t see what the officer could have done other than shoot, based on how far away he was and everybody moving as they did.
Just a note - in general I am going to come down against the cops when there is a shooting. I think they are wrong in a huge number of cases. In this one, however…
Funny how British cops are able to deal with knife wielding assailants all the time without shooting them.
The NY Times has an article on reactions by police to the Chauvin verdict.
In the Minneapolis station house, Inspector Adams heard of remarks from a few rank-and-file officers who believed the defense’s argument that drugs killed Mr. Floyd and that Mr. Chauvin had followed his training.
“Some just think he got a raw deal,” Inspector Adams said. “But there’s a lot of them who think he was guilty, too.”
(My emphasis.) Oof. Part of me feels those cops should resign immediately. The article has some positive responses, too.
I disagree.
If anything, the different angle shows that the cop was busy pulling out a weapon instead of physically restraining the girl with the knife while she was literally within arm’s reach. The time to restrain her was when she was on top of the first girl we see rolling on the grass at his feet. Instead he chose to back up and pull out his gun.
Now, call it bad police training if you want. But I don’t know anything about training that would prohibit him from physically restraining her when he had the chance instead of shooting her moments later. Is he guilty of wrongful conduct? No. Could he have made better decisions in the moment? Well, that’s MMQB, I suppose. Still, I don’t agree that there was nothing else he could have done other than use deadly force.
One important point to bear in mind is that our police wear bullet-proof vests while police in the UK wear stab-proof vests. Apparently, bullet-proof vests aren’t very good at stopping knives. Since we have far more guns than the UK, it makes sense for our cops to wear bullet-proof vests. This means, unfortunately, that our cops are considerably more vulnerable to knife attacks than their British counterparts. So it’s not really fair to expect them to act the same way.
All the time? Because the officer in the video linked in silenus’ post does not appear to be wearing protective clothing.
I don’t think anyone would say she deserved to die. But she deserved to be immediately & reliably stopped.
If someone tries to stab me, I hope someone immediately & reliably stops the person trying to stab me.
Port Allen, Louisiana:
I’ve been saying for a long time now that TASERs are torture devices; I’ve routinely been shocked at how a clear majority of people approve of their use to gain compliance.
I think comparing it to British police is frankly, not helpful. They are, as far as I’m aware, the only large country in Europe with primary first response police officers who do not carry firearms. I think it is much more difficult to get an illegal weapon in Britain than in most countries, and Britain also has a lot of issues around knife crime that have lead to a huge amount of training and specialization in dealing with knife wielding assailants.
We certainly have knife wielding criminals in the United States, but we also have a much bigger firearm crime rate and for that reason it isn’t all that illogical that American police are far more trained in firearms and what to do if confronting with a criminal with a gun–they’re training to the most lethal situation they will face. This training also neutralizes knife wielding assailants as well. It does do so in a way that is much more likely to kill that assailant than British police training. But this wasn’t seen as remotely a problem in society for all of our history–most people today, probably over 75% of people, actually would probably tell you they don’t view it as a big problem if a cop shoots and kills someone attempting to kill them with a knife. I think there is an understanding that when you use a deadly weapon on someone, that person as an innate right to use deadly force back, that’s not even a left/right opinion in the United States but more of a universal one.
Now yes, if our whole culture was changed. If we didn’t have pervasive gun ownership. If knives were the most common deadly weapon our police faced, I think the sort of training British police get at handling knife assailants would be a more realistic and useful spending of American police resources.
FWIW, as I mentioned earlier, the real thing to look at in many cases of knife assailants is could our police have deescalated the situation. That is something that police in other countries spend a lot more time on than ours do, and in most situations where a person has a knife you probably do have a chance to deescalate. I don’t have statistics, but I suspect most American police encounters with a knife assailant, the assailant is probably targeting the cop, the cop has the option to backup and try to keep distance etc. The assailant being on top of a victim, actively trying to stab them, is probably a literally one in 20 million incident event that American police encounter, I would guess it’s even less common for a cop to encounter than someone pulling a gun on them, I would imagine the vast majority of American police will never be in this situation.
Perth Amboy, NJ:
I’m waiting for more evidence to emerge on the case. But this bit from the 911 call: "“We got these… grown girls trying to fight us. Trying to stab us. Trying to put our hands on our grandma. Get here now,” the unidentified caller said.
Neighbors said 16-year-old Ma’khia Bryant made that call. Columbus police have yet to identify the caller. Chief Michael Woods said he didn’t know if Bryant was the caller."
Reads really odd to me. Perhaps subpoenaing phones pinged in the area to get all of the video (there seems to always be more video nowadays) uploaded from that specific area during the 10-20 minutes before and 10-20 minutes after might be more revealing than just the police body cam.
LOL
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
San Francisco: