Yes, yes, I do. Especially since the cop said he tried to stop him because it looked like he “didn’t belong” in that area. Much like George Zimmerman thought Trayvon looked out of place. I meant what the fuck - do we need papers from our masters saying we have permission to go somewhere?
The woman was wearing handcuffs.
I’m glad they’ve been fired and charged. Let’s hope they do jail time.
Yup, they absolutely try to “size up” the public they interact with and it is disgusting.
What possible relevance does asking someone where they work have in a random stop and harass? Say self employed, act self assured and confident is the best defense.
I’m not sure why you’re posting this. It’s an example of laws rather than an example of specific encounters. It’s a terrible law, one that the US shares.
Also, this is extremely unlikely:
Unless, bizarrely, you’re counting people from the Indian subcontinent as being Middle-Eastern. They’re not.
My daughter’s best friend went to school with the girls you mention; we now have leaflets sent out from the schools telling parents how to discourage their children from doing the same. I guess it’s better than nothing, but the three girls concerned did not have English-speaking parents, so that reduces its helpfulness.
Those two positions are very odd when put together.
I think it would be terrible, but he should not go on an exotic holiday while awaiting trial. It makes it sound like he doesn’t actually feel that bad about it at all.
Neither of those come close to justification for shooting someone. They don’t even to you, do they?
I’ve no idea why doing something that had already been planned has anything to do with his feelings of guilt or otherwise.
No. They are justification for calling him a perp. It’s actually possible for both parties to be in the wrong.
Since you raised the Zimmerman case… Yes, you’re absolutely right that Zimmerman, the Neighbourhood Watchman for the private, gated community he lived in correctly observed that Martin wasn’t a resident there. It’s unfortunate, to put it mildly, that rather than explain that he was staying with relatives, Martin chose to punch Zimmerman repeatedly in the face.
Similarly, if a cop notices someone who isn’t a resident riding or driving erratically and illegally, and then fleeing from them, damn right they should be stopping and questioning them. it’s their fucking job.
No, you don’t need permission to go somewhere (unless it’s private, like the place Martin went), but you also aren’t allowed to break the law and flee from the police.
But hey, you stick to your absurd worldview where the cops are the bad guys and the criminals good guys.
Sci-Fi Sam. My post, that you quoted, was intended to discuss a point raised earlier about the general perception of the police in the UK. It was intended to be general rather than specific.
My comment within that post
was, as you have highlighted, complete bollocks since it excludes Indian/Asian. In the context of what I was trying to say I should have just said “non-white.”
However you say the three Jihadi brides had parents who don’t speak English. The father of at least one of the girls, Abase Hussen - father of Amira Abase, has gained a certain notoriety himself amid suggestions he has had a vague association with terrorists. He issued an appeal for his daughter to return and in it he speaks perfect English. There is a link to the appeal in this (sensationalist) coverage of his alleged terrorist connections:
TCMF-2L
Wonder what it was about Martin that made Zimmerman question whether he belonged? Hmmm… think think think. I’ve got it! It may have been Martin’s race! So a neighborhood watch dude thinks he has the right to murder unarmed black men. In most places that sort of thing is left to the police. If none of this outrages you- you’re an asshole.
So if a black man was on bail for the manslaughter death of a white police officer, you’d be okay with him going on vacation? Given your posting history, I’d doubt that.
Depends if they’re a flight risk. Same rules apply.
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Yep, I’m sure that’s exactly how it went down…
Zimmerman: Pardon be, good fellow…
Martin: Now I must punch you repeatedly!
Or, just possibly, it may have been that fact that he didn’t live there. You do understand that, right? You do get that Zimmerman wasn’t, in fact, wrong that Martin wasn’t a resident there, he was a visitor? I have no idea why people immediately assume race has anything to do with it, and one look at Zimmerman’s past would make it obvious that it wasn’t.
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your idiotic worldview.
I don’t think you have the dialogue exactly right, but that appears to have been the sequence of events. If you have evidence otherwise, I’d have to wonder why you didn’t let anyone know prior to the trial.
Or, like others, are you just ignoring the facts because they don’t suit you?
And why would Zimmerman have suspected this? What was his first clue? I know Zim is a hero to ammosexuals but we all know that if it was a white kid that he didn’t know, he wouldn’t have thought twice about it.
So much. I wonder when a TV series cop show will come out where internal review are the good guys? Hardly anything pisses me off as much as law enforcement / government agents lying in official statements. At the very least, lying in an official capacity should be a huge aggravating factor in sentencing. Personally, I’d go with - max sentence for the offense, no reduction - if you get convicted of any offense and it is showed you lied about anything relevant in an official capacity.
Sorry, but I wouldn’t want some violent wanna-be killing my visitors.
Got it, so it’s back to sundown towns then? We best get the fuck out of dodge after dark? Better yet, how about we just stay on our side of the tracks so no one gets confused about where we’re supposed to be.
Zimmerman, instead of being blinded by the fact that Trayvon was a young black man in a hoodie, could have opened his eyes and seen him as a person walking with a bag of skittles and a a drink. I can guarantee from being around many young men talking to their girlfriends on the phone, that there wouldn’t have been anything suspicious about Trayvon’s demeanor except maybe a slight hurry to get out of the rain. If that assole had seen that young man as a person and not a “perp”, maybe his asshole face wouldn’t have gotten punched.
But I guess it’s too much to hope for to be seen as people, today.
So, your contention is that Zimmerman knew, by sight, everyone who lived in the community?
And even if he did, what was it that Martin did that caused Zimmerman (who was, IIRC, not actually a neighborhood watch member, just a wannabe) to approach him in the first place?
Even if Martin did strike first, if Zimmerman had just minded his own business, none of the ensuing cluster fuck would have happened.
I’m willing to accept that if he saw a white youth with yakuza-style tattoo coverage, a purple Mohawk and a face decorated by a staple-gun, he might have been equally suspicious.
Which if memory serves me correct, wasn’t positively established since the only available witness had an incredible incentive to lie. We do know there was a scuffle. We don’t know who started it.