Nope. Do you understand that it was a private, gated community? That they have an actual right to keep whoever the fuck they like outside? I rather doubt it was due to race, since the guy Martin was visiting was black…
I swear some people here would only have been happy if Martin had been able to beat Zimmerman to death, and then not punished for it.
Neither would I, which is why I’m glad there was someone like Zimmerman there to protect against them. You understand that Martin was the violent one, right? That the only one who had any signs of being attacked before the shooting was Zimmerman? Or are you just ignoring the facts to support your prejudices?
This, at least, will be illuminating. Anyone here who thinks Zimmerman was anything other than a victim of an assault can’t be trusted to see what’s actually happening, is too blinded by their presumptions of racism to see anything else, and their opinions on police misconduct are only worthy of being dismissed out of hand.
So it’s perfectly OK to physically assault law-abiding civilians as long as you’ve determined that they’re “assholes”?
Assuming facts not in evidence. Just because Zimmerman lost the fight, doesn’t mean he didn’t initiate.
The only evidence we have points to, but doesn’t prove, Martin starting the fight. It seems odd, to put it mildly, that so many people want to claim that couldn’t possibly be the case.
Personally, I think the jury got it right. But, that said, if the event had gone the other way and Martin had shot Zimmerman instead of the other way around he should have gotten off also. He had no duty to retreat and would have been justified using lethal force if he felt in danger of bodily harm; which I believe he probably felt given Zimmerman’s aggressive pursuit and confrontation of him. Those stand your ground laws are stupid and basically bring back the wild west.
Zimmerman does not belong in this thread. He wasn’t a cop. He was (and is?) a cop wannabe.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. What if Zimmerman grabbed him by the hoodie because Trayvon wasn’t stopping for him. What if Zimmerman tackled him and tried to subdue him unsuccessfully. I can think of a tons of circumstances where Zimmerman started it but came out worse. Especially since he incited the whole situation by tracking him against the orders of police. Fact is, we’ll never know what exactly happened because the only other participant is dead and there isn’t enough evidence for us to clearly determine what happened. All we have is supposition based on Zimmermans’ statements.
What if’s aren’t evidence, they’re baseless speculation, and Zimmerman wasn’t ordered to do anything by the police.
I notice you always give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who kills a black person. You are a hate-filled bigot.
Apparently it’s okay to kill someone for being less than an asshole, so why not?
Shit’s getting out of control in Baltimore right now.
I would note that it seems that to many, shit’s been out of control in Baltimore for quite some time; it’s just shifting directions now.
Regardless of whether either of those is true, I hope you understand that the latter in no way follows from the former.
Are you still touting this half-truth? Is your case based on emergency operators not having authority? Or the wording of the dispatcher’s “We don’t need you to follow him, sir”? Or some semantic distinction between strong request and command?
In contemporary English “We don’t need you to …” is often nearly synonymous with “We need you not to …” (Courts have ruled that a cheque with the usual wording "Pay to the order of " replaced with "Please pay to the order of " is still a negotiable instrument.)
Or do you just rely on any flimsy factoid you can find to allow you to justify the murders of innocent blacks?
You are a hateful bigot.
Martin wasn’t murdered. Very few of the deaths referenced in this thread - probably none, but I’m not going to check all of them - can plausibly be construed as murder. There’s no pattern of innocent black people being murdered by the police.
Not all killings are murder - most will not be. Some will be manslaughter, some negligence, some self defence, and some accidents. If a killing is murder, by definition, it can’t be justified. So no, i’m obviously not doing that.
So are you.
Bigot is too soft a word for Steophan. “Fucking racist” and “worthless as a human” are more accurate descriptions
You are a hateful bigot.