Nonsense. Most people commit crimes of some sort, at some point in their lives, and in places like Ferguson it’s often enough that the majority of people have warrants out on them.
What happens is poor people commit far more crimes in public, so get more direct police attention. Nothing to do with race. You might as well say that old white men are discriminated against because they’re most likely to get their taxes audited (if that’s actually true, I’m just guessing it is).
Why isn’t it true? There seems to be a gap in the standard argument between “a police officer used force against a black person” and “therefore RACISM”.
I’m sure you youngsters don’t remember what a real riot looks like. Or how it started.
Or how it ended. While of course you won’t find it on the Wikipedia article, the eventual answer was tanks.
Again, that’s irrelevant to what I said.
It doesn’t matter how many beatings, killing and brutal treatment of innocent American’s by the police happens. One is too many.
There’s hyperbole, and there’s outright paranoid lunacy, and this is the latter. It’s on a par with the claims that there’s been an attempted genocide of black people in America.
Yes, everyone knows black people have been treated terribly in the past, and that things still aren’t perfect, but pretending that things aren’t improving and attempting to create martyrs out of nothing simply makes your cause look ridiculous.
Yep. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. The disagreement is with whether it’s happening to innocents, and if so, whether it’s happening because of their skin colour. Your attempts to change the subject just show you have no actual reason to believe it is.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
I showed the example of an undercover black cop being savaged, illegally beaten and brutalized, and it’s handwaved away as “So what? It was twenty years ago”, because it bothers the person sure no innocent black men are ever beaten, much less killed by cops.
Cite, then, if you believe most young black men are criminals.
I don’t trust that all of those warrants were legitimate. I don’t find warrants from the 1930s against black people were particularly legitimate either.
The data doesn’t support that the disparity is purely explained by poverty. If you think it does, cite.
I’m sure it is in some cases, just as I’m sure that in some cases in the 1890s, there actually were real black criminals that the cops went after. But I’m unconvinced that the same sorts of biases against black people that existed for pretty much all of American history don’t still exist in some lesser degree today.
So he just fell out of his seat and severed his spine? The police said there was no accident, so it was not an impact trauma. When does your dance to avoid the inevitable conclusion become so contrived that it strains even your vast credulity?
Yes, I think that’s what happened. It fits the known facts, unlike claims of a beating.
But, of course, in your world accidents don’t happen, people are never negligent, and everything can be explained by racism. It MUST have been a murder, and damn the evidence!
I hope you are able to convince the ME when the autopsy comes out, that a man severed his own spine while shackled and cuffed, with no force from anyone else.
No need for a beating. Look at the video of the guy who got shot by the wannabe who thought he was tasing him, and notice the big guy mashing his head into the pavement with his knee.
Kneeling on people’s heads or necks seems to be what passes for reasonable restraint among cops these days. It was just a matter of time before they snapped somebody’s neck by doing it.
I don’t think anyone is disputing that the police were responsible for his injuries. The question is whether those injuries were caused maliciously, accidentally, or defensively.
Fuck your cite. Everyone breaks the law at some point, don’t pretend that’s not the case. And we know young black men commit the sorts of crimes that attract police attention more than anyone else. We’ve agreed that in other threads (although disagreed on the exact ratio), so don’t pretend you don’t know it.
So where’s the ACLU, and all the ambulance-chasing lawyers to get the easy payouts on the fake warrants? If they weren’t legitimate for the most part, they wouldn’t be there. It’s not 1965, there’s not different laws for white and black.
These people have actually broken the law, actually missed court dates and failed to pay fines. What’s happening is you have a culture of people who think the law shouldn’t apply to them and get all butthurt when they get caught, instead of accepting it then getting on with their life.
This isn’t Great Debates, so I’m not citing something that’s blindingly obvious and that everyone should know.
If you genuinely think that there are shitloads of black people being framed by the police for crimes they didn’t commit, or having their civil rights violated, explain why there’s not a shitload of court cases challenging them. There exist organisations whose sole purpose is to do so, and yet it’s not happening.
As I said, maybe they know something that you don’t - or more likely, that you do, and won’t acknowledge.
Does not a police officer have exactly the same right to self-defense that any other human being does? If someone tries to pick a fight with me and it so happens that kneeling on his neck is the best way for me to restrain him in the heat of things, should I ask him what ethnic group he self-identifies with first in order to ensure that I’m not accidentally being racist towards him?
I’ve no idea why you think I’ll be talking to the ME. But if you don’t think someone could fall and break their neck, I really don’t know what to say to you.
And your evidence that this happened in this case is what, exactly?