Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

How is that in any way an issue here? The officer was driving a fully decorated squad car with professional-grade lights and sirens, not an unmarked sedan with a revolving light on the dashboard. Are you suggesting a reasonable person could believe that a band of thieves has stolen a police cruiser, gotten away with it, and is now roaming the streets with it in order to prey on law-abiding citizens?

Tamir Rice was not a “law-abiding civilian” as has been amply demonstrated multiple times over the course of this thread. Objection overturned.

It’s (police impersonation in a “fully decorated squad car”) happened before.

This has not been “amply demonstrated” – the only thing regarding the Rice case that we know for sure is that Loehmann shot Rice and then either lied about it or told a false story about it.

We know no such thing.

Yes we do – we know the story told by the police was false, per the video.

“There are inconsistencies between the video and the officers’ recollection” does not equal “they lied or told a false story”, as has been explained to you over the last several pages of this thread.

That doesn’t sound like a fully-decorated squad car to me.

Did you even look at the picture? It looks like a real cop car.

I’ve never seen a cop car that just said “POLICE” on the side and had out-of-state plates. Have you?

Yes it does – that’s exactly what it means. The video proves that some of the things they asserted were false. Maybe it was lies, or maybe false memories, but the police officers said things about the events surrounding the shooting that were not true.

At night it might be nigh-impossible to tell the difference, and thus it’s reasonable to make sure one is pulled over in a safe place.

If the cop car had been a fake, he wouldn’t have been any safer in the Sam’s Club parking lot than he would have been at Bay & Liberty.

Nah, man. Remember, that was false memory implanted via hipnosis or sumpin. Remember? Steophan proved it.

If there were other people/cars present, or just better lighting, he might have been.

He absolutely was. There are no objections in chess, cheater.

I thought it was vaccinations.

I’m in agreement with you on this specific point, the police officer’s report was not factually correct.

But he did pull over. Just not immediately. He kept driving for 1.5 miles (at 35mph, that’s something like 3 minutes). How is that fleeing and eluding? Did he speed up? Did he turn off his lights to avoid detection? Did he take any other action to evade or elude the police officer?

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(jk5kzma3pske2225d0spslr4))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-479a

I agree it doesn’t matter, he didn’t have to signal at all, he is within his rights to pull over in a safe place.

You don’t have to take a plea to a crime you didn’t commit. Or is your position that you should take any deal that a prosecutor offers you even if you are innocent?

That’s not resisting arrest.

And what if the officer wasn’t an officer but a bunch of gangbangers that got their hands on a police car?

You really ought to pick your battles. I can’t believe they are prosecuting this guy, what a waste of resources.

You answered your own question. He kept driving for 1.5 miles.

I am aware of no “but not unless he thinks the place that he’s at is unsafe because maybe the cops are actually bandits or something” exemption in Michigan law.

It is my position that people who are guilty of a crime should accept that they are guilty and face the consequences instead of wasting the state’s time by forcing a trial, especially when they are graciously being offered an opportunity to accept a lesser sentence than the one which the law permits them to be given.

And what if the cop was a werewolf? That’s exactly as likely a proposition.

A “waste of resources” that could have been avoided if this man had pulled over in the first place, or plead guilty to the misdemeanor.