Smapti
January 27, 2016, 2:02pm
7982
And you believe Cliven Bundy?
Let’s take a look at the “victim’s” own words;
Earlier this month, the father of 11 told CNN he doesn’t want to die – but would never go behind bars.
“I’m just not going to prison,” Finicum said. "Look at the stars. There’s no way I’m going to sit in a concrete cell where I can’t see the stars and roll out my bedroll on the ground. That’s just not going to happen.
Asked if he would rather be killed than be arrested — were the occupation to turn violent — 54-year-old occupier LaVoy Finicum, said: “Absolutely … I have no intention of spending any of my days in a concrete box.”
This also came with a warning: “I’m telling them right now — don’t point guns at me,” he said.
This is a man who kept a gun with him at all times, who repeatedly said he’d rather die than be arrested, and who boasted that he’d shoot first.
And we’re supposed to take the word of people who weren’t there that he was suddenly unarmed and trying to surrender when it finally hit the fan?
Fat chance.
Quartz
January 27, 2016, 3:59pm
7983
Ah, straight to the ad hominem .
I neither believe nor disbelieve; I have insufficient information so I report.
Quartz
January 27, 2016, 4:36pm
7984
Tell me, do you have evidence that the claims in the article are indeed bullshit?
Smapti
January 27, 2016, 4:37pm
7985
Perhaps some actual eyewitness accounts might help, then;
In his video, McConnell said Ammon Bundy and Cavalier were in the vehicle he was driving to John Day for a community meeting. He said Finicum was driving a pickup that carried Ryan Bundy, Payne, Cox and an 18-year-old girl.
He said as they traveled on U.S. 395 police vehicles pulled in behind them and stopped them…
McConnell said he noticed movement, and Finicum “took off” in the pickup with the remaining passengers. He said Payne and Cox described encountering a police roadblock about a mile north on the highway and apparently tried to get around it, becoming stuck in the snow.
“When he exited the vehicle, the rear wheels were still spinning,” McConnell said. “He charged at law enforcement” and was shot.
Notice that’s not a cop saying “I thought he was charging at me so I shot him”. That’s one of the other occupiers, who has no reason to lie and make Lavoy look bad.
You can either trust someone who was on the scene and is sympathetic to Lavoy’s cause, or you can trust a terrorist kingpin who was two states away at the time.
bobot
January 27, 2016, 4:47pm
7986
I didn’t state that the claims in the article were bullshit. I didn’t read the article.
There must be some strongly conflicted impulses between wanting to describe the dead guy as going out in guns-blazing glory (and trying to make him look good) or describing him shot in cold blood while meekly surrendering (and trying to make police look bad).
Hero or martyr? YOU make the call!
Perhaps he was heroically surrendering?
The authorities finally killed someone nobody on this board likes. Yet the controversy will continue unabated. What a hoot!
That sure seems like a premeditated thing.
I wouldn’t blame the police. Most of the commercial dashcams out there only come in black so I don’t see how they could have expected them not to be regularly beaten.
Pinellas deputy arrested on attempted manslaughter charge (w/video)
This is what Virden told investigators: He had bent over to pull Tompkins-Holmes’ (whose hands were cuffed behind his back) pants up and placed his arm across the man’s chest, pushing him farther back into the Tahoe. As he bent over, Virden said, he heard the retention devices around his gun unlocking.
At this point, Virden told investigators, Tompkins-Holmes grabbed his .45-caliber Glock 21 pistol out of the holster. During a struggle, Virden recovered the weapon and fired at Tompkins-Holmes twice.
But audio from the dash cam footage and Randall’s (another officer) testimony revealed a different story.
“Instead of explaining what actually happened,” the sheriff said, “Deputy Virden made up facts that simply could not have occurred.”
And it only took three months. That may be a new record.
I was curious about “Attempted Manslaughter”. If you have mens rea to kill someone, and you shoot in a way that is intended to kill (that is how you would move beyond assault with deadly weapon…) isn’t that attempted murder?
I found 782.11, Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act . This looks like the type of law that you would make if you wanted to direct something at LOE’s. I doubt it is that new, though. If anyone knows about its history, let us know. It is sort of on topic for this thread.
[
Two sheriff’s deputies have been convicted of trying to cover up the beating of a handcuffed inmate at the Los Angeles County jail.
A federal jury convicted Joey Aguiar and Mariano Ramirez on Tuesday of falsifying reports. But the panel acquitted them of conspiracy to violate civil rights and deadlocked on another charge.
](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LOS_ANGELES_JAILS_INVESTIGATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-02-22-46-33 )
[Although this incident is almost 10 years old, the justice system is still trying to work though it:
[Former New Orleans police officer] Gregory McRae is scheduled for a Thursday sentencing hearing. He was convicted on four charges involving the burning of a car containing the body of Henry Glover. Glover was shot to death by another police officer in the chaotic days of flooding following the 2005 storm.
One conviction was thrown out in 2013. Another was thrown out last year, resulting in the latest sentencing hearing.
McRae’s lawyer says a reduced sentence on remaining counts is warranted because McRae was mentally disturbed at the time of the burning.
](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a5e37460541b40eea4c214a257ca4c5c/ex-officer-be-resentenced-post-katrina-body-burning )
[No charges in DC subway tunnel shooting:
Federal prosecutors say they won’t pursue charges against a Metro Transit Police officer who fatally shot a man in a tunnel last year.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia announced Thursday that officials concluded there wasn’t enough evidence the officer used excessive force or had criminal intent in the shooting death of 35-year-old Bobby Gross.
](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fd50449cd494a2eaa5f4785aa8334e6/no-charges-fatal-police-shooting-dc-subway-tunnel )
[Mesa, AZ for this one:
Police in a Phoenix suburb shot and killed a knife-wielding woman whose struggles with Asperger’s syndrome went viral last year when she posted an online video showing her service dog comforting her.
Two officers responding to a report of a suicidal woman were carrying stun guns but fired their weapons because they felt threatened as Danielle Jacobs, 24, lunged at them with a 12-inch kitchen knife in her home Thursday, Mesa Detective Esteban Flores said.
“They had a lethal weapon coming at them,” Flores said Friday. “They were threatened.”
Although police used her legal name, the Arizona Republic reported Friday night that she was hoping to transition from female to male and was known to friends as Kayden Clarke.
“I wasn’t there, so I don’t know how she was behaving,” Allen said. "I wish they had been able to use non-lethal restraint, if they could have used a Taser or a beanbag gun.
“She didn’t have a gun. She had a knife,” Allen said. “It just seems to me there could have been a better way.”
Police refused to say how many shots were fired or identify the officers, who have been placed on desk duty as Mesa detectives investigate the shooting. The results of the investigation will be forwarded to the county prosecutor’s office. Flores said the officers were not wearing body cameras.
It is the second time this year that Mesa police have been accused of using excessive force.
](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1528d0665bce4a74a45e0937645a490c/woman-killed-phoenix-area-police-had-popular-online-video )
octopus
February 6, 2016, 6:08am
8000
160 pages of bad government employees and their unions? I thought this board liked the government?
Like a lot of things you think, you’re wrong.
