It’s obvious, based on your current posting history, that you’re not capable of understanding the distinction, but I didn’t say it was the officer who had previous knowledge of his history.
Her attorney says otherwise, as did one of the officers in the helicopter. And Shelby had undergone training designed to assist her in recognizing drug intoxication.
You, on the other hand, are trying to suggest that he had a movement disorder, or that he was sleep walking, based on no evidence at all. :shrugs:
No I’m not. I am pointing out the fallacy of your insistence that police shoot those they believe are on PCP on sight.
There’s your problem - of course they are. Not proof - indicative.
Do you people ever listen to yourselves? ‘Just because he resisted arrest before while high on drugs, and just because he spent four years in prison for drugs, and just because his father said he had an ongoing problem with PCP - that’s no indication that he was using PCP!’
Regards,
Shodan
My mistake, I misread your post.
Ariel footage shows that Crutcher had already arrived at the vehicle’s door by the time the other officers arrived. They came running up behind Shelby and didn’t arrive as a group, as some footage of the shooting only might seem to suggest. Shortly after their arrival he lowered his hands and appeared to attempt to open the door of the car and that’s when the taser and the gun were fired.
And yes, they could have flattened the tires but that wouldn’t have made any difference had he been going for a weapon.
We’re trying to distinguish an ex post from an ex ante justification.
I made no such assertion. You’re putting words in my mouth, as usual.
No problem. Happens a lot around here.
His history of PCP use is irrelevant to the officer’s actions, attitudes and perceptions. You only bring it up to poison the well.
Much the same as well know that you’ve consumed alcohol in your lifetime prior to this moment, Shodan, doesn’t lead us all to think that you’re drunk right now.
Similarly, it’s not your history of being an insufferable jackass that leads us to conclude that you are also an insufferable jackass right now; it’s your current actions.
[It turns out that Keith Lamont Scott’s wife was filming (video at the link does not autoplay):
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Here is the transcript of Mrs. Scott’s video, from the link above:
I noticed that at no time does the officer seem to even know that Mrs. Scott is there.
Someone who is pointing a gun, knife, etc. at you is a threat. Someone who is just acting funny or not listening to your commands but doesn’t have a weapon is not a threat, although an officer who is overly fearful, especially of black people, may perceive the latter as being a threat when they really aren’t. Examples include Philando Castile and Ternce Crutcher among others.
Wasn’t there a picture internetting around that might have shown a gun? Couple days ago, think it was. It was laying there on the ground, close enough so that it might have been dropped. What happened to that? Am I the only one who saw it?
To be clear, its just something rather odd, at this point. I do not offer this observation as a fact, because of self-esteem issues, in that I have some.
One can’t help but wonder what the “it” was that she didn’t want him to do. This would certainly sound ominous to me if I were the officer trying to deal with this man, and it may well have played a role in his getting shot.
This is getting to be ridiculous. Here we have incident after incident after incident where cops try over and over and over again to get a subject to comply and to cease his threatening or potentially threatening behavior, and then when the subject refuses over and over and over again and winds up getting shot, it’s all because he’s a black guy and the cops are at fault.
And it’s all whipped up by an irresponsible media appearing to act in equal parts greed for viewers/JSW-ism, neither of which motive cares a whit for facts or the truth but chooses instead to advance a slanted narrative serving their own purpose which results in outrage and innocent people being hurt and killed.
And ain’t nobody nowhere on the public stage stressing compliance, which is the one thing that would have prevented all these shootings from happening in the first place. But I guess asking for compliance is too much because…racism? How does that work exactly?
When did the police inform him that he was under arrest?
It’s a good thing for the guy in the Phoenix incident that it occurred within the city limits of Phoenix, because if it had happened in Maricopa County, Joe Arpaio would have given those cops medals and raises.
One can’t help but wonder if the cops heeded her assertion that he had a traumatic brain injury, or if they considered that maybe they could de-escalate the situation, especially with her help (which she was obviously trying to do).
No, we have incident after incident in which you keep saying this with intermittent or totally absent evidence. This video doesn’t show anything threatening, and neither does the Tulsa video, especially considering the other information that has been released (that they already searched the car and found no weapons – so they knew he couldn’t be going for a weapon in the car). And “potentially threatening” behavior shouldn’t be enough to be killed over.
Bullshit. There are real people with real terror of the police. You might not consider it legitimate, but there are millions of Americans who, due to their own personal experiences and those of their families, see the police as potentially deadly enemies, and not as helpful allies. That’s a serious problem and that’s why there is so much trouble and protesting. And most of the protesting is not violent at all.
Because compliance is easily said but that’s it. When a bunch of people are yelling (and potentially yelling contradictory orders), and you’re in incredible bone-shaking terror for your life, compliance can be nigh impossible. If a bunch of plain clothes guys grab you when you did nothing but sell cigarettes on the street, then it’s not at all surprising if you react with fear and resistance.
These reactions shouldn’t be enough for deadly force unless there is absolutely imminent threat of serious harm, and in a lot of these cases, that imminent threat hasn’t been shown at all.
Sorry: - YouTube
At some point, I guess the object moved towards the bottom of the frame, and his pants were removed (no idea why!).
If the Charlotte shooting dashcam and bodycam videos showed that the dead man was holding and pointing a gun, I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t have released it. That they haven’t released it at the very least suggests that it may not show the cops’ actions in a good light.