Civilian deaths are always a possible element of police encounters, by the very nature of the beast. Our society depends on rule of law and until we develop phasers with a stun setting, this fact is pretty hard to get around.
We didn’t have this much violence with the Occupy Wall Street crowd. We didn’t even get this much violence with those fascist racist bigoted tea partiers. The BLM protests are turning violent with enough regularity that prudence demands that police be prepared for violence.
They can protest, I don’t have to support their protests. I don’t think they’re losing sleep over my lack of support but little by little they will lose the support of larger and larger segments of the population.
And what justice is being assured for the person injured of killed during the protest? Where is the justice for the storekeeper whose livelihood is ruined by riots and looting?
They have a legitimate grievance and if the rate of violence at these protests approached what we saw during the average protest, I wouldn’t even mention it. Are you under the impression that there is not an elevated risk of violence at BLM protests compared to your average protest?
Is there nothing that BLM can do to reduce the temperature or is it in their best interests to elevate the temperature as high as it will go.
A screwdriver in the rectum is inexcusable but then we run into the fact that this is a civil judgment and not a criminal judgment. Can you fire someone who loses a civil lawsuit if they haven’t been convicted of anything?
If you want to read about the impossibility of man/boy rape go read the Paterno thread, which has already been cited. Or, since **Starving Artist **is posting here, just ask him.
Hey,** Starving Artist**, this guy wants to know what you actually said about the impossibility of man/boy rape. Care to explain to him what you actually meant?
Yes. You can even fire someone if they don’t lose a civil suit. Unless shoving a screwdriver up another human being’s ass is actually departmental procedure and policy, you can fire them for violating those policies. Preponderance of the evidence is enough for a civil suit, and it is more than enough for employment.
The police union may make things more complicated, but once again, that’s just cops covering for bad cops.
Does this mean that you are okay that these people still have badges and authority?
I’m pretty sure you or I would be fired if we cost our employer $4M. Don’t you?
Are you asking if there’s a union contract stipulation that may be preventing these officers from being fired? Because I have no idea if that’s what’s going on here. But I can’t imagine that the union is that powerful that it can block any and all disciplinary actions. If this is the case, then police unions really are evil institutions.
It’s been my experience, having known my fair share of cops, that when things like that happen it’s usually the result of the miscreant having done something to the cop(s) that wasn’t apparent, such as biting them or otherwise causing them harm or trying to cause them harm during the time they were being brought under control. I’m sure the police-should-react-perfectly-no-matter-the-provocation crowd will find this unacceptable, but cops don’t usually stomp people or abuse them in other ways just for the fun of it and completely unprovoked, and we don’t live in a perfect world so there are going to be times when cops deal out punishment to people who’ve dealt out punishment to them. I have no particular problem with this, myself, provided that the retaliation is warranted and doesn’t do harm out of proportion to that of the harm inflicted. This is one of the ways people learn not to get violent with cops. Why should people refrain from trying to hit, stab, bite or otherwise injure cops if they know beforehand the cop won’t retaliate?
From kiddy-diddling, to pussy grabbing, to police brutality, there is almost nothing that you won’t minimize or excuse. You are a miserable, disgusting piece of shit.
It is to laugh, especially coming from you, one of the most eagerly insulting and bullying posters, especially of newbies, ever to grace these boards. So spare me your faux humanitarian concerns, mmkay?
Really? If jumping all over newbies and doing everything you can to intimidate them and make them feel absolutely as stupid as possible is your idea of ‘basic human decency’, I think I’ll look elsewhere for inspiration if you don’t mind.
When i was talking about “basic human decency,” I was referring to the actual subject of this thread. You know, law enforcement. The guys you just gave a pass for beating civilians in custody.
Second, you’ve made the accusation about my alleged treatment of newbies a few times, without ever providing a shred of evidence that it’s actually true. Pretty much like all the rest of your claims on this message board.
The problem with people like you is that you get so wrapped up in emotionality that you can’t think straight. I did not in fact give cops a pass for beating civilians in custody. I explained why sometimes it can look like cops are beating arrestees for no reason when in fact the person may have bitten them (or gouged their eyes or tried to break their fingers, or any number of other harmful and painful things). Clearly this does not include police brutality, nor brutality out of proportion to the offense (I in fact said as much in so many words, remember?). So it’s wholly untrue and an unwarranted distortion to claim I’ve made a blanket defense of police brutality. ou .
Most of what I post is opinion. Surely someone with your self-impressed intelligence and education should be able to discern that. So tell me, what exactly in the post that set you off do you quibble with? What claims did I make that you find to be faulty or otherwise incorrect? You’d fare much better that way than by endlessly repeating that I’m a dishonest piece of…oh, wait…
Yep! See, you just did it again! (One can’t help but wonder what your students would make of you were they to see the way you behave on this board. On the other hand, and given your proclivity toward assholism toward those wet behind the ears, it may come as no surprise. Still, it would be interesting to know…)
And now, as much as I do love these little pissing contests you and get into from time to time I must call it a night, which means you’re going to have to call yourself a moron for the rest of the night. Ta.
Wow. And here I thought that only chickenshit cowards would hit a fully restrained people. Again, we expect (or at least should) more from police officers. Police that physically hit and hurt people in their control should lose their jobs - no excuses. That includes the head stomper, the pepper sprayer and the windshield head smasher. It is clearly an abuse of power. If you are pissed off because of work, do what the rest of us do and go to a gym or a bar.