Because of course, when one has the authority to use lethal force, a good old fashioned head stomping with attendant risk of death or permanent disability is a perfectly acceptable response to someone resisting. :rolleyes:
You people who believe this are fucking evil and irredeemable bastards who should never be allowed near any position of power.
Do you think that there is any point to the court or legal system then? From your remarks, it appears as though you feel that the police are the best arbiters of what the populace they are sworn to protect deserve?
So, just to be clear, you have no problem with the police torturing people in their custody, as long as they “deserve it?”
I truly hope that you never get on the bad side of a cop, and he decides to dish out what you deserve.
After watching it, the most shocking part to me was how casual he seemed about it. He just kinda walked up and kicked him in the back of the head.
In my experience, with my fair share of cops, many cops think everyone who isn’t a cop is a miscreant.
Given that i teach my students to read the evidence closely, and analyze it in its totality, what the smarter ones among them would probably say in this case is something like:
It’s also worth noting that, if the way i “behave on this board” is something you find unusually hostile, it might be because you mainly see me in threads where you are also present, and i’m quite happy to admit that you boneheaded stupidity combined with your self-righteous mendacity do sometimes result in me calling you out for the dishonest piece of shit that you really are.
Happy to help! 
So I can accuse you do doing something horrible and get you fired even if I don’t prove it? I don’t think this is true.
The teacher’s union would do the same thing for a teacher that was accused of but not convicted of something.
It depends, did we prove they did anything wrong or not? If not then are we firing police officers for accusations of police brutality? Are you really OK with firing people based on accusations because that policy might not work out the way you hope.
If I retaliated that way to someone who couldn’t defend themselves, I would go to jail. Why do cops get a pass?
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Yes on both points. And more may come of it but as of right now, we’re not at a point where we can fire people yet. All we have are allegations. If they find the victim’s DNA on those screwdrivers, then that seems like proof that may go beyond a reasonable doubt.
If I ran the Chicago PD, I would put them on desk duty until we completed an investigation but I wouldn’t fire them until they got convicted.
I still remember when the Obama administration fired Shirley Sherrod because she had been convicted in the court of public opinion. I still remember the Duke Lacrosse team; I still remember the U. Va. rolling Stone article. Accusations are cheap and easy to come by. There is at least some chance that the victim who spent the night in jail got his rectum torn in some other way.
What if the teacher’s union contract forbade firing a teacher due to allegations of misconduct? Would you think the te4acher’s union is an evil institution?
Hmm…to the best of my recollection you’ve been called out numerous times to demonstrate my alleged ‘mendacity’ (which is to say ‘lying’ or ‘dishonesty’ in self-impressed mhendo-speak), and have failed to be able to do so each. and. every. time., whining instead that my dishonesty is so cleverly couched in statements that can’t be proven dishonest that it’s impossible for you to do so. And then of course there’s the possibility of what you once said to Bricker while in faux-intellectual/philosopher mode that you believed me to be dishonest but unaware of it.
And evidence of your deep-seated assholishness is present all over the board, not just the ones I participate in. I once did a search of your posts just to see how you behave in other threads around the board, and literally one of every three posts you made (on average) contained some sort of insult or denigrating remark, usually aimed at someone most posters would feel had done absolutely nothing to deserve it. You, yourself, have proudly admitted to me that yeah, you’re an asshole and you own it.
With regard to what you’re students might have to say about my position on police brutality, you might try educating them on matters of provocation and of degree. There’s a difference between police brutality, unprovoked and as a matter of course, and the sort of brutality that results from the infliction of painful injury by the arrestee. In other words, one of these things is not like the other. You might also try educating them on the concept of ‘cause and effect’, in which people learn by word of mouth that if you physically harm an officer you’re going to pay a painful price, in which case they and everyone else who hears about it will be less inclined to attempt it themselves. This results in fewer instances of brutality against the police, and therefore fewer instances of brutality from the police, and this is what you want to see in the first place, yes, no?
Oh, wait! No, you don’t…
What you want is for the police to have to endure endless amounts of physical punishment, pain and provocation while never retaliating, and you couldn’t care less if this results in more brutality against the police, because all your sympathies lie with the miscreant/criminal, and to you the police are the real bad guys.
:smack: What was I thinking!?
You weren’t.
Translation: Don’t you know that the more police beat the ever loving fuck out of people for resisting, the less people resist and the less the police NEED to beat the ever loving fuck out of people??!?
yeah…
No, there’s no need for translation in order to belittle a point I never made. It’s one thing to resist being put in handcuffs, for example, and another entirely to bite the shit out of a police officer’s inner thigh (as I know of having happened) or to try to tear the corner of his mouth open, or gouge his eyes out, or (and here’s one that should have all of you screaming for blood) squeeze a female officer’s boobs.
Have you seen anyone in this thread defending people doing such things?
I’ve seen people in this thread insist that such behavior should not be retaliated against.
“retaliated”?
Here, let me help you out:
re·tal·i·ate
rəˈtalēˌāt/
verb
make an attack or assault in return for a similar attack.
“the blow stung and she retaliated immediately”
synonyms: fight back, hit back, respond, react, reply, reciprocate, counterattack, return like for like, get back at someone, give tit for tat, take reprisals, get even, get one’s own back, pay someone back, give someone a taste of their own medicine; More
archaic
repay (an injury or insult) in kind.
No-Let me help you out:
It’s not the fucking job of the police to “retaliate”, you fucking moron!
So glad I could clear up any misconceptions you might still have on the subject.
Oh, sorry, that it’s not their job is such a stupid point that it never occurred to me even you would try to make it.
Of course it’s not their job! This is why they don’t do it as a matter of routine and why their salary and promotions don’t depend on it. In the course of performing their job, however, it may happen that some asshole might inflict or attempt to inflict injury upon them, and when that happens retaliation may occur. As long as the retaliation carried out is proportional I have no problem with it, for the reasons I stated above.
Yes. You can be fired for any reason. Violating department procedures and costing the department 4 million is a valid reason. You can bet that if I had an employee that violated my policies and got me sued, they’d be all kinds of fired, even if we won the suit.
Teaches get fired all the time for all kinds of stuff. Posts to facebook, lewd behavior… about the only thing that they don’t get fired for is performance in the classroom.
Yes, they did prove that they did wrong. Winning a civil suit does mean that they were found to have performed the actions they were accused of, by a preponderance of the evidence. This is much different from mere accusation.
So, I ask you again, are you happy with the fact that these men still have badges?
I don’t know about you guys, but I just totally love it when somebody posts the definition of a commonly understood word as if it made a point to do so!
But no, it is not their job, that’s our job. Our job to vote for people to write the laws, our job to serve on the jury that finds someone guilty, and finally the judge’s job to assign a specified and just retaliation in the form of a sentence.
Granted, it might be more efficient to place all those decisions in one set of hands. Perhaps you might prefer that. Perhaps if it were someone as wise and all-knowing.