Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

I wonder what would happen if his coworkers showed some solidarity and struck/blue flued for thirty days.

TBCF, equines, even the smaller ones, are potentially dangerous. An old pony still has legs and teeth that are capable of delivering serious injury. But whipping out ones gun to deal with unknown large dark shapes in the night shows a signal lack of restraint. If the police are exhibiting increasing lack of restraint, as appears to be the case these days, the sensible thing to do is to take their dangerous weapons away until they calm the fuck down and demonstrate that they, as a group, can behave reasonably.

On the surface, this one just sounds indefensible - if he was scheduled to work at that hour, then it’s the garbage company that should be getting punished, not the driver. You wouldn’t respond to a restaurateur not paying his taxes by garnishing the line cook’s wages.

If he took it on himself to start work early, that’s another matter.

Can confirm, having been a garbageman. Its revenge. We hate you, pure and simple.

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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been woken up before 7 by a garbage truck. I never called 911. IMO, that’s abuse of the 911 system. I might complain to the city, if it was really bad, but…people can invest in earplugs.

“to be completely fair”

If it’s covered by the city noise ordinance, then I don’t see that there’s a difference between a loud garbage truck and your neighbors blasting heavy metal music at 6 AM.

Arresting the driver is silly, though, because unless he’s gone rogue this is an issue that should be worked out between the city and the garbage company.

Firstly, if you get woken up by a garbage truck, you know that the noise will be gone in a couple of minutes, when the truck moves down the block. There is no such predictability with loud music.

Second, even if the two are similar, neither requires calling 911. As get lives says, this is something that should be dealt with as an abuse of the emergency line.

But this is in the suburbs north of Atlanta.

If our lives aren’t kept nice, all the terrors that 21st century civilization can inflict will be brought to bear.

No it is not new. It happens all the time. It is just not publicized especially in the many instances when it is resolved without gunfire.

Here is an article from 2005 about officers being killed with their own guns.
http://www.policeone.com/close-quarters-combat/articles/100228-Cases-of-Officers-Killed-by-Their-Own-Guns-Likely-Will-Not-Change-R-I-Policies/

All the time? Your cite says the opposite.

Which is why it’s news when it happens.

Good de-escalation largely removes the need to worry about someone taking a cop’s gun. Sure you’ll always have the occasional incident, but even as things stand, it’s pretty rare.

Attempts happen often. Successfully killing an officer with his own gun is somewhat rare. But it is certainly nothing new since that cite is 10 years old.

Cite? What’s your definition of often?

How do we gather information on suspects grabbing policemen’s guns? Oh, right, from the police, who write in their reports, “I had to get rough because the suspect grabbed for my gun.” Hmmm. Yeah, sounds to me like a reliable source of [del]excuses[/del] information.

There seem to be a lot of discrepancies between citizens’ videos and officer reports, I would agree, based on the cases that come to my attention.

If I pay more taxes, like Europe, can I have less shooty cops?

The quote I pulled from your cite is not about successful killings. It says that it is rare for someone to take an officer’s weapon. It says nothing at all about attempts.

You know that nothing in what you wrote refutes the quote that Hentor posted from your own cite, right?

I would also like to hear how you define “often”.