It’s entirely reasonable to include advocacy for white supremacy when judging capability to do a job that includes community relations.
Agreed. However, in the admittedly unlikely case that it doesn’t affect his work, it shouldn’t affect his employment. There are people who collect Nazi memorabilia for aesthetic reasons, and there are people who listen to music for similar reasons regardless of the politics. It’s far less likely that this applies to someone running a record label, but the principle is the same.
My problem is not with what happens to him, though, it’s with the claim that all those who work under him should be judged by his actions, not their own. Which, to make it clear, I’m not saying you have claimed.
I agree that it’s not fair to impugn all officers for the actions of a relative few who have gone so far as to be associated with white supremacist organizations. But maybe when federal investigators conclude, as they have, that active white supremacists have been conspiring to become a part of law enforcement organizations all over the country for years, it is understandable that people have biases against officers when these revelations are put into the context of the many high profile controversies we’ve examined over the past few years. This is not merely speculation we’re talking about here; there is a long, long history of organizes white supremacy working in law enforcement, such as in the murders of civil rights workers in the South. And we now have pretty solid evidence that white supremacists are a part of law enforcement even today.
So you are the kind of person that would have no problem(and even think it was funny) working for an active Nazi, a member of an organization that destroyed a major branch of my friend’s family tree?
Laughable =/= funny.
And I wouldn’t expect to know my boss’s political leanings, and unless they impacted on the job it’s none of my business. I generally avoid politics at work - to the extent that at my previous job people suggested I might make a good union rep. I declined, for obvious reasons…
Also, there are no active members of the organisation you refer to that destroyed so many lives, as it disbanded in 1945. That’s one of many reasons it’s laughable to say that these people are Nazis, or that they are members of anything other than tiny fringe organisations that do almost nothing.
I have, however, worked for practicing Christians before. That group has killed many millions of people - should I have objected then?
I’ve read the first article and skimmed the second as it’s rather long. It seems that there’s only a small amount of known white supremacists, and proven incidents of bias, and a massive lack of data. My take from that is that these issues should be urgently investigated, and decisions made and opinions formed based on that data rather than the anecdotes that are currently being used.
I don’t understand the insistence at minimizing the evil of neo-nazis and other white supremacists. Especially in the US, which was ruled by white supremacists and a white supremacist culture for the vast majority of its existence.
This ideology has done more damage to America and Americans than every other ideology combined. It’s not comparable to Christians, or any broad religious group. White supremacists and white supremacism really should be shunned totally, just like advocacy for child molestation. It really is that bad, if not worse.
You said that people’s hobbies should have no bearing on determining the fitness to serve. Why would the nation’s top law enforcement agency be concerned about these “hobbies”, as you put it?
Mass genocide and the instigation of World Wars is “just a hobby” now. Advocating for a return to that horror is “just a hobby”.
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No, selling a few CDs is a hobby, as is making niche genre music. Advocating for a viewpoint may or may not be a hobby, but it’s certainly a right. Mass genocide and instigation of war is an international crime.
Hope that’s cleared it up for you. Also, remember that there are no people around who are actually members of the Nazi party, as it’s not existed for over 70 years, and there is close to no-one calling for it’s reformation. If there are Americans trying to reform the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, who aren’t seriously mentally ill, please cite that, otherwise you’re full of shit. As usual.
If there are, in fact, a significant amount of white supremacists trying to infiltrate police forces, or significant amounts of bias in the police force - and the articles linked to by asahi say that there’s not enough data to say that as yet, it needs to be fixed. But first, the research needs to be done. And no, before anyone jumps in with unsupported anecdotes, they are not data.
To prevent crime. It’s reasonable to think that more people who listen to NS punk music will commit racist crime than people who don’t. It’s not reasonable to assume all of them will, or even that all of them are racists. I’ll happily listen to Woody Guthrie, doesn’t mean I want to overthrow the bourgeoisie.
…oh. Your one of **those **people.
There isn’t a single person in this thread (and probably in the entire fucking world) who believes that the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party is trying to reform. NaziandNeo-Nazi have a much broader definition than what you claim. Stop being a moron and get with the fucking program. How did you get to adulthood with such a poor understanding of how the English language works?
Because he supports “the police state”, has fascist beliefs and is a Nazi sympathizer?
Nope to all three, as you presumably know as you’ve read and responded to my posts. I support a policed state, rather than an anarchist society, and for that, rather ridiculously, people like you label me a fascist.
People have the right to believe, and to say, that their race is superior, and that they want to be separate from other races. They are contemptible idiots, but they have the right to say that. Similar contemptible idiots can say I’m a fascist, claim all coppers are bastards, or say that the likes of Antifa or BLM are peaceful protest movements.
**Czarcasm **literally said just that, and as he’s one of the most over the top pedants on this board I took him at his word, assuming he would say what he means. The post to which I directly replied quoted the post I’ve just referred to.
Most American white supremacists have views that would be almost entirely incompatible with fascism, being based in conservative Christianity, not revolutionary nationalism with a strong pagan symbolism, if not belief. If anything, revolutionary Islam us closer to fascism than anything in the US, although it’s still significantly different.
They are a different threat, with different aims, and should be fought differently, even if the ultimate aim is to extinguish their views.
…but he didn’t literally just say that, because if he did, then he would have “literally just said that”, but he fucking well did not.
I don’t think you quite understand “American White Supremacists.” They come in a number of different flavors, not just “conservative Christians.” The Alt-Right are not necessarily conservative Christians: the Alt-Right are not a movement inspired by Christian beliefs.
It is being fought differently. Are you not paying attention?
Yes, he literally said that. The post is not hard to find.
But hey, keep calling people Nazis if you like. It’ll just make it harder for “your side” to win, because the people you are attacking will obviously realise they are not, in fact, Nazis, and then dismiss everything else you say.
By comparing a fringe group of imbeciles to one of the greatest evils in history you are giving them far more power and recognition than they deserve.
It’s reasonable to call guys Nazis if they display the swastika, talk about how evil the Jews are, salute Hitler, etc.
…I’ve found the post. There is no mention of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party. He literally did not say what you claim.
I very much doubt that these people would be reading a random thread on an internet message board and if they were, I very much doubt that “not calling them a Nazi” would change their mind about anything.
This “fringe group of imbeciles” are currently in charge of the most powerful nation in the history of the world. Ignoring that fringe group has meant that one of those “imbeciles” has the nuclear launch codes. Pretending fringe groups don’t exist don’t make them go away.
No, they are not in charge of Ancient Rome, the Mongol Empire, Macedonia under Alexander, or the British Empire. Or, for that matter, present day America.
And **Czarcasm **referred to active Nazis, who destroyed a branch of a friend’s family tree. That cannot refer to anything other then the Nazi party.