It’s an object people play games with for fun. That’s a toy in my books, and this argument is sad and pedantic even by your standards.
Did the irony burn when you typed that?
Context is entirely lost on Steophan.
Well, if it’s an authorised punishment by a court after conviction…
That would make any gun used for target shooting a toy. That’s not a definition I would use, nor one I suspect many people would agree with.
As I’ve repeatedly said, and demonstrated, I’ll willingly admit and apologise when I’m wrong. It happens, and it’s often a learning opportunity.
You, on the other hand, repeatedly ignore cites, mischaracterise arguments, and refuse to acknowledge the falsehoods you spread.
There was a rash of muggings in New Haven with “toys” when I lived there. Those victims feared for their lives and would have been justified in defending themselves. Of all the potential instances of police misbehavior out there, I don’t find this one the most compelling hill to die on.
So here’s another chance. This is what you said about me: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20456859#post20456859
I never said that. You never provided a cite that I said that. When I challenged you on it, you said this: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20462880#post20462880
Why would you double down on something another poster said without such a cite? Why would you call me dishonest for simply challenging your assertion that was about me personally? Here’s your chance to show that you’re capable of better. You said something about me, and I said that it wasn’t true. You never backed up your statement about me – you just called me dishonest because I challenged you. You say you’re better than this – now you can prove it.
Provide some actual evidence for any of this, and I’ll certainly consider it. I’ve also made mistakes before, and I welcome the opportunity to learn from them.
It would make any gun that you can point at another person, pull the trigger, and no one goes to the morgue or to prison at toy.
I misread that part of the article, I though tit was saying that such contact was illegal. I don’t even see it as an oversite, but such an obvious abuse of power, that rational people didn’t think that they would need to code it into the law in order to prevent cops from raping people, but I guess you get enough cop defenders out there, and you can justify alot of crap, and then you actually have to make specific rules stating that cops aren’t allowed to rape people.
Odd that we have to have two sets of rules. Non-cops already had a law against rape, but we have to make a very special rule in order to cover cops. I can see how maybe they only committed rape because they were in fear for their life, just like how they murder.
Well, here you go. If you make that statement again, it is because you are willfully ignorant. Really, just google, and you can find all the videos you want.
Of course, most of the police abuses are not caught on camera, even still, as they don’t all have them, and the know to turn them off before they are going to commit rape. (Most of the time, it is both depressing and heartening when a cop leaves his camera on to commit crimes or plant evidence.)
By which you mean, let to go free no matter the evidence against them.
Was Rice mugging anyone with this toy? My friends and I ran around and played with toy guns when we were kids, pointing them at each other and shooting off the caps. A cop would have been exactly as justified about pulling up and shooting us all down as they were killing Tamir. Well, except, we were white, so there’s that…
You know, you do have a point there. It’s not a great one, but there is a point. Since unlike you, I’m actually willing to change my mind or admit when I’m wrong, let me revise my statement slightly.
It’s an object people use almost exclusively for playing games. That’s still a toy in my books, and this argument is still very sad and still extremely pedantic even by your standards.
It would be more like statutory rape laws, defining such conduct as rape, without needing proof that there was no consent, just proof that the sexual activity happened.
Sorry, I’m not watching a video of a rape. I’ll take your word that it exists, and depicts what you say it does.
And no, this has never been about letting cops go despite the evidence against them, it’s about letting them go because of the lack of evidence. Same as should happen to anyone.
No, he was threatening the cops with it. Did you actually bother to watch the videos, read the statements, or look at the findings of the grand jury? It’s not some mystery what happened, it’s been thoroughly investigated and the cops have been cleared. There isn’t any “controversy”, as per the thread title, remaining. He was killed in self defence.
You could start by acknowledging your mistake about the nature of an Airsoft gun, specifically one modified to look like a real gun.
So you ignore your own words about me. Why not address it? What are you afraid of? Why did you lie about me, and why are you terrified to talk about it?
As for airsoft guns, I understand that the fact that Wikipedia calls them toys really bothers you deeply, but it is a fact, no matter how much you whine about it.
The video did not show Rice threaten the cops in any way, liar.
He definitely threatened the police with his blackness.
I see there was video of some cop harassing a woman, but I can’t watch it at work. I’m having trouble understanding Steophan’s reaction–by any chance was the harassed woman black?
What? But it is a cop doing the rape. That should make it all good in your book.
Very noticeable that you are willing to go to all lengths to defend them, but asked to look at their actions, you can’t be bothered. Much much easier to defend the actions if you refuse to watch.
Nah, cops get let go even when there is evidence against them. Even when there is plenty. In fact, you bitch and whine and cry when there is enough evidence for a conviction, beuca you don’t think it was fair.
So the cops pulled up, at a safe distance, and he pulled out his gun and pointed it at them?
No, the cops screeched to a stop in front of him, and shot him before he even knew what was happening. He never had a chance to threaten the cops with it.
No, but she was, zOMG, riding a bicycle. Bicycle riders are the negros of society. Nobody seems to give them any quarter.
I understand those two pieces of shit have been found guilty.
You don’t see the issue? It’s the cops that collect the evidence. Or don’t collect it. They decide what is and is not evidence. As seen many times in this thread, they have planted it, they have destroyed it, they have lied about it.
They only evidence against cops is video captured on citizen’s cell phones. And we have seen numerous examples about the cops trying to stop THAT.
Saying ‘Same as should happen to anyone’ seems purposely naive. Willfully ignorant.
The stories I linked say that the two pled not guilty and were released on bail yesterday. Where did you find this information that led to your understanding of the situation?