And doughnuts. Don’t forget those.
It’s not an issue of certainty, but belief, so your question isn’t relevant. It’s also nothing to do with cops and civilians, as the same right to self defence should apply to everybody. And to your last question, no, but again that has nothing to do with cops and civilians, as it would be wrong and illegal for anyone to do that.
I think this is so wrong on so many levels -
Why are police telling medical personnel to inject people with ketamine? Why are they making specific medical decisions? Asking for ketamine by name? What training to they have to decide this is the best option? Why are the EMTs listening to them in this case? Considering the examples mentioned were of people stopping breathing and being intubated, (the asthmatic is especially disturbing). Apparently this was a leaked draft, but city officials are already on the the defensive, but who would think this is a good idea (besides the usual suspects).
Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City. <shakes head>
What happened?
And
As the story notes, not a lot of details available yet, just plenty of controversy.
Was it this guy?
…come-on-down US Border Patrol.
I’ve linked to the tweet directly as opposed to any of the news coverage, because the news coverage has headlines such as “Video Shows Border Patrol Allegedly Running Over Native American Man on Reservation.” And from that headline you might think you are going to get some grainy footage that may or may not show a man getting run-over by an indistinct vehicle that may or may not be a Border Patrol vehicle but nope. Its as clear as day. A Border Patrol vehicle lines the man up, knocks him over, and takes off.
In response, the Border Patrol said this:
In-fucking-crediable.
Meanwhile down-under in Wellywood, this happened just down the road from me last night.
I love my city.
Wait, what ? Two guys are fighting and the cops decide that the best way to stop them hurting each other is… to kill them both ?!
Well, if they only killed one of them, it would indicate a bias. The only fair thing to do is such a situation is to kill both of them.
Unarmed people are the best people to shoot. Think about it.
Real Americans all carry handguns at all times. (With a round in the chamber.)* Patriots, country folk, people not duped by Hillary’s lies, people who watch Fair and Balanced news instead of lamestream FakeNews lies — they all carry firearms; it’s a mark of Americanhood. Even the destitute coal-miners laid off by Obama sell their old pickups so they can own an AR-15.
Ethnic felons not allowed to carry, illegal immigrants afraid to give cops an excuse, niggers, hoity-toity San Francisco liberals who drink imported wine, atheists — these are the people who do not carry firearms.
A little angel has a little orgasm every time an anti-gun “American” is killed.
Zheesh, Terricky. The police apologized. Did you apologize to them? Lucky you if they don’t send a bill for wasting police time.
And get a load of those names! Anybody think these were real white-skinned Americans? Three guesses and the first two don’t count!
Dude, if you were a band at a concert, you’d be getting booed right about now - that was KC, **Missouri **police in both cases.
The downtown shooting may or may not turn out to be righteous - at least one of those guys was apparently armed.
Shooting the woman barricaded in a shed with sword is going to take a bunch more justifying.
On a side note, two deputies were shot in KCK yesterday, one fatally (and the other is critical).
Where is the “omnibus” thread about the good things that police do every day? This thread is depressing as fuck. A thread like that would provide a nice counterbalance, methinks.
…it really isn’t fucking hard to click the “new thread” button if you want to start a thread to “counterbalance” this one. So go do that already.
Not sure why you put the word counterbalance in quotes, but yeah, I think we need a thread like that. If my university days taught me anything, it’s that part of developing critical thinking skills is looking at diverging opinions and multiple facets of an issue before you can comment intelligently on it.
I guess I’ll put it into IMHO. Let’s hope that thread fills up as quickly as this one does, but I’m not hopeful.
What does your university training teach you that a separate 14,000 post thread full of “Happy Encounters Between LEOs and Civilians” should lead you to conclude about the issue of police violence? If we stipulate that happy encounters happen (and few would argue they don’t) and that you could counter every anecdote in one thread with a matching anecdote in the other, how should the existence of nonproblematic encounters affect an “intelligent comment” regarding the unhappy kind?
Most of the time, cops get it right, and part of that is because their jobs really aren’t that hard most of the time.
Most cops also are able to get it right when the job is hard.
Some don’t.
And if you have noticed, this thread is not just about controversial shootings, but fairly straightforward abusive actions that, even if the cops “justify” them, still work to drive a wedge between them and their community.
If you want to do a positive police story of the day, you will find many of them. Every day, my local news has several stories about cops doing something or other that is productive to society. In some ways, you could be as productive to start a “Sun rises in the East of the day” thread, as it is expected that police do more good than harm. It is when that expectation is defied that that news finds its way here.
I would submit that the thread I started exemplifies the “defied expectations” shown in this thread, only in an opposite way.
It shouldn’t I guess. I know you folks are well aware that, for the most part, cops do good things every day. I admit that a thread containing nothing but feel good stories about the police does not, and more importantly, should not overshadow the police abuse stories. I apologize to you folks for that, especially when I tried to use my schooling experience as some sort of weird way to validate how I feel.
Almost forgot: gargle my scrote, unwashed heathens! (gotta keep to the Pit standards but I’m pretty bad at the insult schtick. 
Well now you’ve just got reasonableness all over the thread. Dammit.
Border Patrol car caught on video running over a Native American man and driving off.