Convince me that LA Confidential is great

I figured I’d better do this in a new thread, rather than hijacking the Greatest Movie Since 1990 thread.

So I’ve seen L.A. Confidential, and I was profoundly underwhelmed. I mean, it was okay, I guess, but what was so great about it that people fawn all over it to this day?

Maybe my perspective is a bit skewed because I’m still peeved that Kim Basinger won an Oscar for a role she played very unremarkably, a role for which her screen time is best measured with a stopwatch. But hey, that’s just me.

So, convince me. Why should I like it?

Either you liked it or you didn’t. No one can convince you to like it, just like I can’t be convinced to enjoy the sound of Yoko Ono singing free jazz with a feminist perspective. If you leave Kim Basinger’s Oscar out of it, would you like the film?

This is why I liked it:

Visually stunning recreation of the period and cinematography.
Great casting and performances by Spacey, Crowe, Pearce, Devito, and Cromwell.
Fantastic homage to Ellroy’s novel. It cut a lot out of the story while staying true to the character arcs of “his three guys.”
Complex characters - all of the good guys are a little dirty, have their own motivations and ambitions, and don’t follow a predictable path. The “dumb” guy is the best investigator. The “smart” guy is the last to catch on. I read a lot of detective fiction, and it bugs me when I’m too many steps ahead of the characters. This story kept me guessing and it was a joy to put the pieces together at the same time the characters did.

I saw the film before I read the book, and I came out of it feeling like I’d seen a great story, told with a lot of love and talent and humor and attention to character and plot twists.

Let’s compare it to the movie that won Best Picture that year, Titanic.

Titanic: Weak characters. “Boy from wrong side of tracks meets fortune-hunting girl” plot that makes you BEG for the boat to start sinking because you can’t believe that another filmmaker is serving this crap up to you again. Weak performances from DiCrapio. A scenery-chewing-eyeliner-wearing Billy Zane. Mugging by Kathy Bates. Not even the great Kate Winslet could save it. Cheesy anachronistic theme song written to be a top 10 hit. Money thrown at special effects and costumes and set design, with no payoff - you don’t care about the boat, you don’t care about the main characters, you care about all the poor faceless people in steerage with no lifeboats, but only for the last 10 minutes.

I loved L.A. Confidential because it didn’t dress dreck up in a bunch of special effects. It was about character and story. There was no anachronistic screechy pop song. The one love interest is central to the plot and involves complex emotions on both sides, not a tacked on thing to pass the time until the boat sinks.

I’m with the OP. I saw it and just didn’t see what the fuss was about. I didn’t find the story overly compelling, and didn’t find the performances to be that extraordinary. I didn’t hate it, or even dislike it, I just didn’t see it as clearly being above average.

The book was a whole lot better than the movie, of course. The movie was marginal. As an entry in hard-boiled detective/film noir, it wasn’t as good as ‘Chinatown’ or even ‘Red Rock West’. It was ok. So-so. Ehh…

The thing that made L.A. Confidential great for me is just that the three leads are so complicated, realistic, morally ambiguous, and are so wonderfully played.

Ed Exley. He has ironclad integrity - or does he? Is his integrity just a cover-up for his ambition? Does he even know? Right before the climax, he makes us think he’s made a final choice between his career and his moral values - but he hasn’t, really, as we learn at the end when he’s being debriefed. And even though he plays by the rules, he is competent, which is the exact reverse of the standard cop-movie cliche that only the rules-breakers can ever get anything done. Watch him in his interrogation scene, and shudder. The guy knows what he’s doing.

Bud White. Crowe does a magnificent job with this guy. Note that while most of his lines are in a terse monotone, his physical movements show the anger and violence he is always struggling to control. This is a perfect setup for the scene with Lynn Bracken; it is the only time in the movie that White lets his emotions show in his voice, which underscores how broken up he is. This is a man who believes he has the right to take the law into his own hands - and by doing so, he sometimes really does defend people that the law cannot or will not defend. But at other times, he also functions as a professional torturer for his corrupt police chief. In almost all movies, this kind of “maverick” cop is portrayed from only one side; either all his actions redound to the good, or they are all bad. In this movie, they are both.

Jack Vincennes. This character is a beautiful picture of a guy who has dived into a well of cynicism and found it too cold for his liking. He admits that he’s forgotten why he became a cop, but you know that he would like to remember. “I doubt you’ve ever taken a stupid breath,” Dudley tells Vincennes, and that’s clearly true, but you can also see that Vincennes has rarely taken a happy breath either. Spacey is just superb. That wonderful, irony-edged way he delivers the final word in the sentence, “Why in the world do you want to go digging any deeper into the Nite Owl killings, Lieutenant?” slays me. Or when he is talking with Dudley in Dudley’s home, he delivers his lines with the same uncertainty as if he really is making them up on the spot; you can tell he hasn’t actually done this in a long while.

These are three fascinating people, people we may have been shown before on the screen, but never had the opportunity to meet and get to know so well. (And the Academy ignores all three of them and gives the Oscar to Basinger? Go figure). This is one of the rare cop movies that give you cops you can believe in and care about.

That said, I think L.A. Confidential is lionized only partly because its characters are so good, or for any other merit of its own. A lot of people who otherwise wouldn’t have cared less about it raved about the movie just because they hated Titanic. Blah, I say. They’re very different movies, but both good in their own way.

Danimal, what a great description - you did Ellroy’s “three guys” justice.

I liked LA Confidential for the characters of the three cops. Danimal did a great job describing them; they were ALL atypical cop roles.

On the other hand, L.A. Confidential had a lot of problems with it, too, that stopped it from being a legitimately great movie in my eyes:

  1. The mystery just wasn’t much of a mystery. The entire subject of the missing heroin cache was sort of dropped entirely. The revealing of the villian seemed highly contrived, a huge deus ex machina, although it’s better done in the book. There was NOTHING about the mystery you could figure out ahead of time or see the connections of afterwards.

  2. The character of Ed Exley is poorly introduced; although we’re made to understand Exley has huge integrity, he really doesn’t do anything that indicates it. Even when he’s supposed to be doing something with integrity it’s obvious he’s just ambitious.

  3. The movie went five minutes too long. Really, it should have ended with Exley holding up his badge over Dudley’s body; instead it lurches forward though several unnecessary (and one truly terrible) scenes.

All I can say is: any film that discards 75% of the original novel it’s based on and still earns the ringing endorsement of the author has to have done something right.

Well I really love the movie EXCEPT for Kim Bassinger.

For one thing she can’t act. Two she is supposed to look like (damnit I can’t remember) a famous actress from the forties. The problem is that she looks like KIM BASSINGER. This part should have been an unknown actress.

What I really love about the three cops is that each one ends up doing something against his core beliefs.

Exely shoots a man in the back. The man who he told earlier he would never shoot a man in the back.

Bud White hits a woman. The one thing that sets him off more than anything he does himself.

Jack actaully startes to care again.

That’s what I like but keep it on the QT and very Hush Hush.

That actress would be Veronica Lake. A good actress who,unfortunately, ended up largely forgotten. There are a few fan pages out there.

Well, magdalene and Danimal have stolen all of my thunder.

I don’t think it is a flawless movie (the only one of those I’ve seen is the original Godfather). I’ve never fully understood why everybody needed to be massacred at The Night Owl, for example. Why couldn’t they have just taken out the corrupt cop at some other time, in a less conspicuous place?

The feel of the movie, the pace, the story, took you back to another L.A. It was refreshing as hell. There was not a sour performance in the lot. I even liked Danny DeVito, and that’s saying something!

The “Big Three” cops, as mentioned, were amazing. I’m a gigantic Kevin Spacey fan, and his subtlety and expertise are on full display in this movie.

My favorite Spacey moment in it: Exley asks Vincennes why he became a cop. His response is three words: “I can’t remember.” But in the delivery of those three words, Spacey shows us, in a way not at all superfluous, soul-searching, amazement that he can’t recall, and cynical, bemused indifference over that fact that he can’t recall.

That, my friends, is what is known as having chops.

(The “She is Lana Turner” scene was priceless, too.)

Now that I think about it, I think Vincennes says, “I don’t remember” to Exley’s question. And his face also portrays being just a little bit unsettled by it, in addition to all of the above.

Max, perhaps it would be helpful if you told me why you didn’t think it was a great movie? Your OP doesn’t particularly do that.