Have you noticed that the air is cleaner? I was out walking yesterday, and it was mild, and the air smelled absolutely amazing. In Belleville.
I felt that the too. Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore
We need to seriously think of what kind of future we want to have.
What are our priorities? Cheap consumable crap? Commuting to a job that can be done remotely? Polluted, brown air?
What do we want the world to look like going forward?
Speaking of Pink Floyd, Middle-aged New Jersey crowd shouts ‘f— the police’ after cops bust up Pink Floyd cover band’s ‘corona party’
I live in Guanzhuang area of Chaoyang, Beijing, which is in the flight path for Beijing Capital International Airport. Usually when I look out my southern window, the airplanes coming in, especially at night, almost look like the arcade game screen for Space Invaders. These days, the maximum I’ve seen has been three planes in a day, four if you count the PLA medical helicopter that flew by.
Aye, normally here in Las Vegas a plane lands or takes off about every 60 seconds. That is not true at all right now; our skies are mostly empty.
1,273,810 confirmed infections
69,459 dead
264,761 recovered
In the US:
336,830 confirmed infections
9,618 dead
17,977 recovered
Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:
I take the US numbers with a couple of grains of salt as there seems to be a serious problem with getting accurate data on Sundays. I doubt fewer people get sick AND fewer people die just because it’s Sunday.
These words are important. May I repost?
To the point by Trump:
To what point?
Much more to the point:
QE2 acting the way we wish trump would:
That to wait till the end of clinical trials is unaffordable.
Besides, I guess it’s not ethical also at this point towards people in the control group of the clinical trial to be denied this. My grandfather is 80+ having high blood pressure if he happens to catch covid-19. would I like him to be in control group or in the group taking hcq in a clinical trial at this point?
What about the ethics of giving somebody a drug known to have potentially serious side effects that might not actually help treat COVID-19? While rare, the known side effects include permanent blindness and potentially-fatal cardiomyopathy or other cardiac events. Giving him this drug quite literally could kill him; is it ethical to give him a possibly fatal dose in the blind hope that maybe it might help, even without evidence that it will?
Hydroxychloroquine Azithromycin combo may be unsafe for heart patients, for that consult your doctor but hydroxychloroquine alone is fairly harmless in small doses from what I read (even for that you would consult your doctor obviously)…
The stuff Trump & Co want to dole out en masse is not candy or even as benign as aspirin. It has side effects and some people can not tolerate it at all.
Would you want grandpa in the group that gets an experimental drug that might cause blindness, deafness, or destroy his heart and may or may not actually do anything to combat the disease he has or in the placebo group?
I sincerely hope that the chloroquine+Z-pak combo has some effectiveness against covid-19 but it is unproven and still experimental at this stage. Touting it as a cure is premature at best and, if it turns out it’s not effective, can maim and kill people who otherwise have recovered from covid-19 without that particular damage.
If we don’t do actual clinical trials with actual control groups we aren’t doing good science and we won’t actually know if this works or not. If it turns out that the drug combo is dramatically effective you can halt a trial early, but you have to do real science to get real answers.
What the frack are you reading?
The ocular side effects - that is, potential blindness - is based on a cumulative dose, not a “small dose”.
The side effects are nasty enough that some people opt to risk malaria rather than take this drug. Other people who find the drug useful for various auto-immune disorders sometimes have to stop taking it permanently.
Even if hydroxychloroquine is effective against covid-19 we don’t know what an effective dose might be, let alone an optimal one. Sure, if it’s a “small dose” the risk might be acceptable for severe case, or even “moderate” one in a person with significant risk factors but I sure as heck wouldn’t take that drug for a mild case that’s no worse than the average flu, and yes, I do mean actual influenza with the high fever, body aches, and not wanting to get out of bed for a week. If I could ride that out without a drug that could potentially blind me or destroy my heart muscle I would definitely opt for the “control group”.
If, on the other hand, the choice is hydroxychloroquine or a week on a respirator I’m more open to the drug.
Cholorquine and hydroxychloroquine are not benign medications, they can be quite unpleasant and have significant chances of side effects, some of which can be permanent or life-threatening. There are times that they are appropriate, but dosing large numbers of people with this stuff when we don’t even know if it works for what ails them is irresponsible.
Cumalative does over years rather than the days it will be given for COVID19.
Never had malaria have you?
Your body your business. :rolleyes:
Riiight. It’s a medication that has been around for 8 decades and sees millions of doses given a year. Its well understood and Doctors know how to manage it. Plus deal with side affects.
30 heads of States request Modi for HCQ export (the reporter didn’t pronounce HCQ correctly)
Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
“Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free,” Cardillo told Eyewitness News. “So clinically I am seeing a resolution.”
No.
On the other hand, I’m not fond of deafness, blindness, or heart damage, all of which are known if uncommon side effects of those two anti-malaria drugs.
If I was traveling to a known malaria-risk area, or I myself had malaria, I’d consult with a doctor about risks vs. benefits of medication but that’s way different than listening to former “reality” TV guy with zero medical qualifications recommend a drug unproven in efficacy against a new disease.
Let’s just say I’m not a fan of taking a drug unless you actually need it.
Right - side effects like blindness, deafness, and heart damage that in at least two cases lead to organ transplants. It’s a well understood medication that is also well understood to have some non-trivial risks. Sure, MOST people take it and don’t suffer terribly, but then, MOST people also get over covid-19 without needing to go to a hospital for more intense treatment.
That’s why you need to listen to medical people and not politicians when it comes to treating a disease.
How many patients?
What sort of control group? (If there was no control group it’s anecdotal data which is not reliable)
What criteria did he use for “very very ill”?
What follow up did he do?
How many did he follow to full recovery (meaning, two negative tests for the virus after symptoms went away).
How many patients were lost to follow up?
Those are really, really basic questions that you should be asking.