Disturbing news: Ukrainians hurl stones at evacuees from China.
:rolleyes:
Maybe they could be redirected to the quarry?
These are American patients from the Diamond Princess, which are presumably among the 634 “Other”.
Starting to see effects in places other than China, judging by my previous post and this news: South Korea declares Daegu a ‘special zone’ over virus cases.
You may be interested in the WHO’s best attempt at coming up with an infection fatality rate (IFR), something different than the confirmed case fatality rate (CFR): somewhere between 0.3 to 1%.
Probably right. However they are American patients now being treated in America.
DSeid, the lower number would be great. I think, that with the greater awareness of the virus, this could be accurate.
Recently feces has been identified as a possible transmission route. This is not great. Feces makes containing the virus much more difficult, even within a hospital. I’m not talking about toilets or water systems. Airborne isolation within a healthcare facility is pretty common and not extremely difficult. When you add infectious diarrhea to the mix it becomes a lot more difficult. Patients with this require much more care and there is much more actual virus being shed. More care and more virus being shed lead to an increased amount of infections among healthcare workers.
I have been surprised again by peoples reactions to this. Someone, I think it was China Guy, said that a possible reason for Japan keeping everyone confined on board the Diamond Princess was xenophobia. I said that never would have occurred to me. Well, now I’m seeing it among people near me. People on social media, including some in healthcare, are protesting moving patients to Spokane Washington’s special isolation unit. People amaze me, not in a good way.
Hey; they aren’t barricading the streets in Seattle yet, tho. Just watch to see if people are putting rocks in their pockets, eh.
76,718 confirmed infected
2,247 dead
18,464 recovered
The back and forth in China regarding confirmed tested versus clinical diagnosis is a little difficult. I worry that they aren’t testing everyone anymore, through lack of tests or simply being overwhelmed. That could influence the numbers being reported. I have no evidence whatsoever of that, just a thought.
I also am suspicious of Russia’s 2 cases. Russia shares a border with China. I also seem to recall a, possibly untrue, story about people breaking quarantine in Russia.
That did happen, steatopygia: Russian Court Orders Woman Back to Coronavirus Quarantine After She Escapes From Hospital.
“Because you’re an idiot who can’t be trusted.”
Dow falls 200 points as confirmed coronavirus cases jump
Hopefully these kind of effects don’t drag on and on. But man, 76,000 cases and ~2250 dead, this is a disaster that isn’t over.
I’m afraid it will get a lot worse before it gets better. Both in terms of the actual epidemic and how many people are killed or injured, and also financially.
I have thought from the beginning that the measures taken did not match the information being provided, but all we can do is monitor the situation and modify what we know (and think and do) as information comes in; hence this thread.
Two suspected cases in my town, Padua, Italy. I’m all set to go to the Carnival in Venice, half an hour away, and hope they don’t cancel the events due to this.
And this sort of news reporting illustrates how badly and breathlessly the media represents information.
After four days of averaging roughly 2000 new confirmed cases a day there were three days in a row averaging only 500 to 600, give or take. A prison dumps numbers they’ve collected into the “new cases” pool (500 cases across multiple prisons that were now added into the dataset overnight per some reporting), the daily total then “jumps” to 631 (per CNN) or 800 (per that report), and OMIGOSH!!!
I am definitely interested in the sensationalism angle. On the one hand, I think big finance is unlikely to spin things because there are fortunes at stake. But then again, CNBC &etc. need clicks to keep going and have an incentive to jazz things up.
This article seemed worth sharing not because of the number of cases, but because of the claims of a collapse in China auto sales. Something like that really could be attributed to the quarantines, travel bans and general fear, and it is something that in turn would show up in the stock tickers.
At bottom, there is a question whether the reported numbers are accurate. If they are a big Chinese face saving lie, it could be exposed if the financial results seem to outrun them. If the financial news can be trusted, that is. It isn’t perfect either.
The market being at record highs despite this risk is what seems irrational to me.
If China keeps the restrictions, manufacturers all over the world are going to run out of inventory. If they don’t (which is what seems to be happening) there is a risk that the virus will spread as workers mass again, and then they are really in trouble.
Amazon is quite concerned that their partners will run out of inventory for Prime day, and some are cutting back on advertising so as to not exhaust inventory.
Then there is the question about dependence on parts made in Wuhan.
The supply chain, especially with just-in-time manufacturing, is a bit delicate.
“Just-in-time” supply chains are based on the assumption that world-wide, or even regional-wide, emergencies don’t ever happen. Which is in conflict with reality.
My understanding is that several small towns, roughly 30-50 km southeast of Milan, near Castiglione d’ Adda, are under quarantine for the next week: no school or public events, residents to stay home, public transit is not to stop in those towns. 50 ish cases, 2 fatalities. See, COVID-19: Virus spreads to Austria, Spain and Croatia — but Europe keeps borders open | Euronews
Yes, but a few small towns near me (Padua) are also under quarantine. One of the patients, an elderly man, that died was from a village around here and died in the hospital just round the corner from me. Here in Padua they’ve blown off pretty much all carnival festivities now, but Venice - which is about 30 minutes up the road - seems to be business as usual, albeit with a lot fewer people as usual; between the virus panic and the flood panic a lot of tourists have stayed away.