No, it says dont do that again or your but will hurt. Seriously, when I was a child, and I got spanked, all I ever remember thinking was I dont want to do that again, cause this hurts. I was a kid, I wasnt looking for deeper philisophical meaning, it was cause and effect. I disobeyed dad, I got spanked, I learned it was not worth disobeying my parents.
Spanking, whipping, beating --call it what you want, it is still hitting another person. Why everyone thinks it’s just fine to go around smacking another person just because the other person is a minor.
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The boss is not the parent of coworker.
The teacher is not the parent of the student.
**The coworker is old enough to comprehend more abstract forms of punishment, such as getting fired. **
School aged children are old enough to comprehend more abstract forms of punishment, such as detention.
It is not the bosses job to ensure that the coworker grows to be a responsible, well adjusted adult, if the coworker doesnt do his job, he can get rid of him. I cant, (and wouldnt) fire my son, and it is my responsability to ensure that he is raised right.
It is my assertion that teachers smacking children is not the way to raise responsible, well-adjusted adults.
My grandmother spent her last 3 years in a nursing home. She was quite senile at the end. No one thought it was appropriate to pull out the paddle and spank her when she threw her food on the floor. If she had been 70 years younger, well, that would be quite all right.
The question I keep asking and no one seems to be able to answer is: why is it all right to hit someone (and to have agents-- strangers) hit them just because they are a minors? Answering it’s O.K. to hit minors because they are minors isn’t a real answer.
Question for the lawyers: If spank my parents right back, as I threatened to do, are they liable for abuse, being as I would not be? Well, now I would be, but now I’m not a minor.
P.S. My mom never swatted me for touching a hot stove. She told me not to, then watched as I burnt my hand. I learned very quickly that Do what Mommy Says = Smart.
P.P.S. My reaction has always been discipline back. The one time my mom threatened to spank me, I threatened to spank her back.
Another time Dad took my computer. I took his car keys. Eventually, we negeotiated. Maybe if you started treating your children as if they were adults, they would act more maturely.
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Yeah thats what we do alright. I just walk around the mall, I see someone who looks underage, and I beat em to a bloody pulp…
Spanking and beating are two totally differant things. I have known people who were seriously beaten by thier parents, punched, kicked, bones broken, that sort of thing. I used to work with abused kids, and it is doing them terrible disservice to these kids to equate the hell they went through with someone who took a couple of shots to rear with a paddle. Its repulsive, its like equating someone who got thier but pinched by thier boss to someone who was raped at knifepoint.
The teacher is put in the place of the parent, and they have to enforce discipline. They also cannot fire the student.
sometimes, sometimes threats of detention have no effect, and sometimes, like in shop, or gym(they only place you could get paddled when I was in High School), someone could be get hurt before a student learned an abstract lesson.
That I can understand. I dont agree with you, but I respect your right to feel that way. Its a matter of opinion, and theres no arguing about that.
Your grandmother was at the end of her life. No-one was going to teach her not to throw her food on the floor. She was not in the formative part of her life where she needed to be corrected in order to train her to follow the rules of society. You dont spank a child to punish them, but discipline them.
Ive answered it a bunch of times. Even shown you cites and what the law says. I’ll try again.
There are many things that are appropriate to do to your children, or the children that are intrusted in your care(such as your students). restricting thier movements, grounding, time outs, put a toddler in a playpen, taking away thier toys as punishment. all these things would be illegal to do to an adult. All of these things would be inappropriate to do to an adult. Children are not just short adults, they are children. Thier minds work differant, they learn differantly, and they cannot take responsability for thier actions. As a parent , or teacher, you have to. Sometimes that means you have to do things to them that they dont like, such as dragging them out of the toy store when they are throwing a fit, or picking them up and puting them thier time out chair, or puting them a playpen when they are small so you can confine them. you are not responsable for other adults, so it is inappropriate to hit them, or confine them without due proccess, or take away thier stuff. Or wash thier face at the dinner table with a napkin dipped in a water glass.
To say that it is wrong, or bad to spank children is one thing. Its really a matter of opinion.
To say it is exactly the same as punching someone in the face in anger, or beating your wife, or beating your children to a bloody pulp because you had a bad day at work, is repulsive, and its nonsense.
In the state texas, you would go to jail for domestic violence(yes, even as a minor). You see, as I posted earlier, there are laws that allow parents to physically discipline thier children. There are no such laws that allow children to try this with thier parents.
If my kid took my keys because I took his computer, I would get the car re-keyed, and then sell the computer to pay for it. Then I would make sure that his playing games like that was cost him so much that he would never think about doing something that disrespectful again. You see, thats why I beilieve in disciplining a child when they are young, so that you dont have to deal with this kind of nonsense when they are older. I was raised to respect my parents, I would never dream of trying something like that with my dad, even now, and I’m a grown man and a father. Try teaching a 5 year old like an adult, see how far it gets you. Try telling your 5 year old not to run out into the street, and when they disobey you, and get hit by a car, oh well they wont do that again. The deal is, as a parent, you treat your child more and more like an adult as they display maturity and act more and more like an adult. Its a tough job, if you let them have too much too soon, they get screwed up, and wreck thier life, if you baby them too long, they rebel and get screwed up and wreck thier life. I have had to clean up after both results for other peoples kids, and it isnt pleasent. Working adolescent psych was a real eye opener, and I take being a parent very seriously.
Ok, I’ll grant this. Now what I’d like to know is how someone can let a stranger make the determination as to what the difference is. You don’t know the teacher. You know nothing of their background. Yet, you’re willing to let them strike your child with a weapon? And, make no mistake…a paddle, switch, stick, whatever…it’s a weapon. It’s a force multiplier.
I guarantee no teacher would make that same mistake twice if my son was involved.
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I worked for several years in a shelter for little children. I’ve seen, firsthand, the aftermath of physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Some of the scars that those little kids will bear for the rest of their lives are heartbreaking. Yet, some people say that it’s OK if their children are paddled until their buttocks are bruised. The words I have for those parents, and for the “people” that inflicted those bruises, are inappropriate for this forum.
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Isn’t there something between time-out, detention, and striking a child? Of course there is. Suspension, expulsion, transfer to another type of school…all those are preferable to hitting them until you break blood vessels. (That’s what paddles often do, you know.)
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It is, however, my right to disallow that type of punishment.
And I most certainly do.
bdgr: One of the nice things about taking after my grandfather is that I am the largest member of my family. Teaching me a lesson is counterproductive. Also, I learned not to run in traffic precisely because Mom let me hurt myself on the stupid stuff.
Question: does your parental relationship with your kids hinge on your ability to discipline them physically? I.e. If your kid became your size tomorrow, would you still be able to deal with him/her? I hope so, and it is implied from your response that you would only use physical disclipline as a method of last resort.