Yes, and according to rumor (and certain ads found in various Personals sections) she will charge you $300/hr for the privilege.
As someone said upthread, in a self defense situation, winning is about surviving. Not pinning your opponent.
That might mean getting away - and a heel to the instep or a kick to the kneecap might keep someone from pursuing.
That might mean attracting attention to get help. Being subtle in a bar might not bring the cavalry - yelling “help, stop, get off me” while elbowing someone in the solar plexsis might.
That might be discouraging someone who will go find prey less likely to fight.
That might just be fighting for your life.
In a self defense situation, a woman’s brain runs through the scenarios like a chess computer looking for outcomes. She may decide to let herself be raped - its the best possible outcome because fighting will end up raped AND beaten. She might decide that not fighting will end in her death and what does she have to loose? She may decide what she needs is to run, or to get attention, or to reach the gun in her purse (however, in my experience, finding my WALLET in my purse isn’t exactly a quick exercise - and I don’t have a lot in my purse.) If she fights, she has a chance of “winning” - but she takes the risk of escalation and if it escalates, she is very likely to lose unless she can get away or attract help.
If she survives she wins - if she survives without major injuries or emotional trauma, she wins decisively.
That may be, but that’s not quite the question posed in the original post.
The first part of the question - defend yourself. That means “get out with less harm than otherwise”- not “beat the crap out of.”
This thread is funny, its a bunch of men talking about how women are inferior fighters - yep - but when its self defense - which WAS the context of the question - it isn’t whether this kickboxer can beat that ring fighter - its about “can I get out of here without being raped, beaten or killed.” The “win” criteria for women is very different in a self defense situation. I need the upper hand for long enough to get away or get help. Stamina - if I’m depending on stamina I need to be running - I can probably outrun a few men who might attack me - not all of them, but a few - since I can do three miles on a treadmill - but a lot of that is going to be dependent on footwear - if I’m coming out of a bar and get attacked, sensible shoes are going to be an issue. Strength - if its about strength, is over with. If its about wise use of resources, I might have a chance - my mother survived a rape attack by hitting her date over the head with a bottle - stunned him enough for her to get away.
You need to look at the whole post in context:
My bolding.
I take it you agree with the OP?
It’s a guy thing; men tend to almost compulsively think of violence as if it’s a dominance contest in some tribe. Women don’t. So yeah; men and women define “win” differently. Women don’t really care who is stronger, so bringing a gun to a knife fight, having the cops haul the guy off or just successfully running away counts as a win in their eyes; a man would likely considering that losing, or “cowardly”.
We’re not as far from our apish ancestors as we like to think.
When has an an elite woman woman ever come close to an elite man in any competition? Boxing and MMA aren’t different enough to account for the inherent differences between elite men and women athletes. More importantly, Floyd is much quicker and stronger. I doubt she could ever get close enough to take him down without getting knocked out. I think you are overlooking the fact that you are talking about perhaps one of the greatest boxer ever. He is not just good, he is all time great. Rousey is good, but women’s MMA is not even a mature sport. There is no reason to think her skills are particularly unique or extraordinary as far as professional fighters go.
I disagree. Sine MMA has taken off, you haven’t seen a pure boxer vs. a pure grappler. Unless you are referring to these celebrity fighters like James Toney or Kimbo Slice. Almost all of these guys can do multiple things even of they favor one discipline over another. Additionally, many elite MMA fighters rely on boxing as much or more than grappling.
Regardless, Rousey beating tomato can women is not legitimate or relevant experience in this scenario.
Resolved: an ippon judo throw (assuming the big male is dumb enough to allow it) on a hard surface will likely take the fight out of him. A little follow-up jabs with her long hard heels and the man is in the “beat up” category.
James Toney is as much a celebrity boxer as Floyd Mayweather is. Ray Mercer has also done MMA, and lost extremely quickly to a guy with limited grappling skills(Kimbo Slice).
The record of boxers in MMA competition shows that their opponents don’t need particularly great grappling skills. A little bit of grappling skill is sufficient to defeat even amazing strikers with no grappling skills.
James Toney was a 42 year old, uncompetitive boxer when he started MMA. He also fought a trained, slightly past his prime, MALE MMA fighter. Mercer was 46 when he started, and managed to KO a former UFC champion a couple years later. Neither of these guys were amazing boxers at that point. They are hardly the examples that lead one to think a woman could beat the current best boxer in the world.
Either way, your intimation that boxing is an inferior and somewhat useless skill relative to grappling in an MMA fight is not borne out by facts. Both Jones and Silva are good with their hands, and have used them nearly as much as their other skills. Many other fighters do too. Yes, past their prime boxers then to lose to trained MMA fighters who are usually significantly younger, but them losing should be no surprise given they both lose boxing matches at that age as well.
I don’t think you truly appreciate how good Floyd is, and how much slower, weaker, etc. Rousey is. The fact is she would get crushed by most marginally trained male fighters. I don’t know why you would think she would be fare any better than most other elite women athletes facing a man. Serena Williams would be crushed by any pro male tennis player, top women’s soccer and basketball teams lose to men’s teams full of teenagers and rec players. The gap is not really close at all, and it’s certainly not closed by one fighter having an slightly less effective primary discipline.
It’s a little more than slightly less effective. Yes, strikers do beat grapplers, but only if they can survive when in a grappling situation. In the early days of MMA, strikers had zero chance because they didn’t stand the fighters up when things got bogged down. Now they can just do their best to avoid submissions until the ref decides that the fight isn’t going anywhere and stands them back up.
There are NO champion MMA fighters that aren’t at least somewhat effective at grappling. Every person whose only discipline was striking ended up getting handled as easily as a child.
Now whether Rousey could handle Mayweather is an open question. I can’t say she would win, only that if Mayweather doesn’t bring some grappling skills and gets in one of those armbars, he’s tappin’.
There were bar room brawlers in the early days. This isn’t the early days though. More importantly, note that I said primary discipline. There are no competitive fighters who only do one thing, save the occasional celebrity aging boxing crossover gimmick. It’s not proof that boxers can’t compete because a few ineffective boxers were equally ineffective MMA fighters.
There are also no champions that are at least proficient boxers either. Again, these guys can all do more than one thing. Plus, “grappling” is not equivalent to boxing. It’s kinda unfair to make a direct comparison there.
It’s only open to those dumb enough to think she would stand a chance. Honestly, it’s not close. The differences between men and women at that level are just far too great even given the different skill sets. Coupled with the fact that women’s MMA is not a mature sport like boxing, and a match between them would be an unmitigated ass kicking. You do realize Rousey has only trained as MMA fighter for like
Our of curiosity, are you one of those people that think Serena could hang with a male pro tennis player, or that a Alabama could beat the Jets? Are you just clinging to the one in a million what if scenario?
Well, I heard about the Williams getting dominated by like the 100th ranked male player, but I do know the Williams would easily beat almost any casual male player, because I’ve seen plenty of male vs. female tennis matches between amateurs and participated in them. So although I may be out of bounds in suggesting that Rousey could beat Mayweather, I do think she’d easily handle your average 250-lb “tough guy” thinking he could pray on a woman.
Another factor being that they now wear gloves in MMA, which was not always the case early on.
Gloves shift the advantage back to punchers, because gloves protect the hands (not the head of the recipient). I believe the OP was about a street fight or the equivalent, not an MMA matchup.
I think a good strategy for a Rousey vs. Mayweather matchup, either street or MMA, would be to do what Royce Gracie did against Dan Severn in the very early days of the UFC - stall on the ground until his opponent made a mistake, and then submit him with a triangle. The strength disparity between men and women is less in legs than upper body, and there is a good chance that Mayweather would not recognize a triangle choke set up. She still probably would not win, but she would stand more chance than standing up, where Mayweather’s quickness, foot speed, and enormously greater punching power would dominate.
Regards,
Shodan
Come to think of it, I unintentionally did someting like that to my pain-in-the-ass (10 years older and 4 inches taller) brother. We were in the dining room, me on my knees and him standing behind me with his hands around my throat. All I wanted to do was break his hold so I could breathe. I did the only thing I could think of and snapped forward.
Next thing I know, he was face up on the floor in front of me. IIRC, that’s the last time he tried to pick a fight with me.
As I mentioned earlier, the 4-6 hour course has the advantage that it will raise the awareness level of the student and give her a couple of techniques to use in the case of an attack that will surprise the attacker, hurt the hell out of him and allow her (hopefully) to escape to safety.
I start off every SHARP class that I teach with the comment that I only have them for the afternoon, so they are not going to walk out of the class as Xena, Warrior Princess.
The first rule of dirty fighting is that I win.
The second rule is that if you are in doubt, see rule 1.
I endorse Dangerosa’s sentiments. There are really 2 issues melded in the OP.
Yes, but there’s another aspect. Guys have different self-defense challenges than women do. Males are more likely to get into fights. And those fights are more likely to be honor fights. Rory Millercalls it, “The monkey dance.” The rules of the monkey dance vary across cultures (kicks for example were not accepted in the US during the 1970s) but dominance or face saving were the preferred outcomes.
Incidentally, there are ways of short-circuiting the process: acting bored is one. (And OBTW, I personally believe honor fighting to be immoral in a modern US context.)
At any rate, I think it proper and advisable for women not to play by honor fight rules if they are attacked or seriously threatened. Because among other reasons a stranger-danger situation isn’t an honor fight.
I believe all women should train in martial arts. Women are constantly being taken advantage of by men…and beat up by men…if women are defending themselves…then it is self defense…so the laws should remain the same in that matter…theres a lot of coward men out there…that like to pick fights with women…because theur too afraid of men…those men deserve a good ass kicking…and I believe a well trained woman can give them a big surprise!
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