Could I have any success claiming to be African-American?

Thanks for the serious reply, Hippy Hollow. I’ve snipped out most of details of your posts, which seem to make sense to me, and have left only the above details which seem to be the crux of my problem.

As you correctly note, I’m not a person of color, yet most of the difficulties you describe black academics facing apply perfectly to me, and to most non-Black academics as well: ill-prepared (in my case, woefully) to compete with peers in grad school, ignored and/or incompetently groomed as a grad student, rejected (in my case for five years) in attempts to land a decent full-time job, often for no real reason one can see, overworked when is hired and compelled to serve on committees whose relevence to one’s work one can barely see (note my service on “diversity” committees and hiring committees out to diversify the department)–all this, and more, as you correctly note, is typical of academic life in general, not just for people of color.

The payoff, as you no doubt understand well by now, is considerable: a lot of freedom in what research one chooses to pursue, a lot of freedom to conduct one’s classes as one sees fit, more or less total job security (all of these manifested after acquiring tenure, of course), but no one has it easy in grad school or in the pre-tenure years, which are usually described as nightmarish by black people and white people alike. Maybe it’s tougher on the black academics as you describe, but it’s also true that they’re often cut a little bit of extra slack in institutions like mine that WANT to give them preference in hiring and tenuring. (I don’t think much of several black colleagues’ reputations as classroom teachers, for example, but no one even discusses that, as we don’t want to drive them from the university. We do, however, discuss poor teachers’ classroom reputations if they’re white, in a way that I couldn’t care less if these lazy and incompetent slobs were to leave my institution.) I’m just not seeing how Affirmative Action/EOE guidlines are helping very much since the barriers you seem to describe that apply to African-Americans is largely cultural: i.e., their families don’t get academic life, the money is better and the path to career success is clearer in the non-academic market, etc. These things aren’t going to change, are they?

Maybe I’m just despairing prematurely, of course. Maybe a generation or two or three has to be frustrated in the way I am, and things will slowly start to cook. But after almost two full generations from LBJ’s speech at Howard University, I think most academic departments are still very largely disproportionately white, and not changing very much at all, and not showing signs of change. I’d be interested if you think there’s something else we should be doing, besides trying aggressively to make bids to the few black job applicants we see.

How about finding another university similar to yours with a similar problem.

You could hot house post grads and swap them.

Anyway this is a temporary problem, the first generation smart cookies will go for the Law and MBA dollars, but their kids will be ideal educators. Free to pursue what interests them.

Could be right, except we’re already into the second generation.

Ok - make it third generation :-}

Thinking about it, my father was the first of ours to go to university, and he went to a top of the line place for his MechE speciality

  • I did a slightly more prestigious ‘Liberal Arts’ degree (the MA was a $10 bonus)
  • should I have been sufficiently antisocial to breed, I would not have been at all concerned if the sprog did a PhD in Bawdy Verse (I jest not, a pal of mine did)

I do know a UK Professor (over here a Professor has a Chair) who started life on a building site at sixteen, but he was pretty unusual.

Probably the ‘problem’ will solve itself, but I am biased, I dislike the waste of resources and reckon that IQ (better aptitude) discrimination is worthwhile, and appearances are deceptive.

I also think there is no need to despair over the shortage of black PhD=-,[ s in liberal art subjects. The barriers that have kept blacks largely out of higher education have really only recently come down, if you think about it. It makes sense that the more visible and lucrative doctoral level professions will be filled way before the less visible and less lucrative areas. Eventually this will probably change as exposure to the few black professors out there will give rise to more black professors.

I’m a veterinarian, and there isn’t a whole lot of black vets out there, either. It actually seems like the number is declining. I don’t know what’s up with that, but I suspect it might be because with each year it becomes more and more competitive to get into vet school, and black students may not see why it is worth the struggle when they could pursue something else instead. To say that black people tend to be more pragmatic than whites when it comes to career choice wouldn’t be an unfair generalization, IMO.

I wish I had some solid data on this: the % of blacks getting liberal arts Ph.D.s, the number of black (and white) dropouts from Ph.D. programs, the number getting job offers, the median salary of those job offers (by race). It seems to me that we’re all guessing at these things, telling anecdotes about our personal experiences, forecasting trends based on those anecdotes, analyzing those trends, etc.

I imagine someone has actually studied this stuff (seems too sexy not to have been studied) and I should maybe get off my ass and look at some of this data.