Could the U.S. become a fascist state?

Lots of political ideologies are nationalist. The Soviet Union was certainly very nationalist.

Switzerland and Israel are militarist, and not fascist.

Really? Which party is more supportive of free trade? Which one wants foreign sweatshops closed?

Furthermore, protecting the border is not just a Republican demand. Support for more border protection runs about 75% in the U.S. Much of the opposition against illegal immigrants is coming from blue-collar workers and union leaders.

You mean like the NAACP? Louis Farrakhan? Jesse Jackson? Reverend Wright? The Black Panthers? A president who accused a white cop of ‘acting stupidly’ without knowing the facts?

There’s plenty of racial scapegoating going on on both sides of the political fence.

Remind me again who’s in charge of that? Who was it again that expanded the use of Predators on American soil? Which administration has continued to support the Patriot Act, warantless wiretapping, rendition, Gitmo, and all the other horrors that are supposed to be unique to Republicans?

Very nice post.

Another thing that you touch on, but perhaps should be stated overtly, is that in a number of past fascist regimes the leader rose to the top via semi-democratic means. That is, the people willingly voted for and supported the leader’s rise by willingly handing over liberty for security. And got neither.

Tell me that bedtime story again, Grandpa, you know the one where funny little man with the toothbrush mustache who came to symbolize the words “right-wing tyrant” for the foreseeable future is a warning against electing left-wing candidates. I like that one, it’s so funny.

Sure, fascism typically arises from democracy, but historically, it hasn’t been the nice man who wants to make sure you’re cared for. Historically, it’s been the guy who wants to make sure that those other guys aren’t cared for.

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

– Sinclair Lewis

And it will use fear to keep you in line.

Mussolini and Hitler did not promise their peoples security; they already had that, pretty much. They promised their peoples glory. That was what made them so hard for non-Communist leftists of their time, such as H.G. Wells, to understand or take seriously.

From "Wells, Hitler, and the World State, by George Orwell (1941):

No, the center of gravity – or at any rate the center of energy, as expressed in the Tea Parties and Town Halls – of the right at this moment trends towards paleoconservatism and social-religious conservatism – tendencies much more nationalistic and ethnocentric and much less rationalistic than libertarianism.

It’s usually both at the same time, isn’t it?

  1. A chicken in every pot, and a Volkswagen in every garage
  2. It’s the fault of the Jews

Compare that to

  1. “Free” health care for all, government-subsidized mortgages and extended unemployment benefits forever
  2. It’s the fault of greedy private-sector CEOs

Either way, the leadership figure promises a bunch of free stuff to people who will elect him, and blames a smaller, potentially unpopular group for the troubles of the masses.

The difference is that it wasn’t the fault of the Jews.

You see? It’s working.

Psst, Idaho, the “chicken in every pot” thing was Hoover, not Hitler. I mean, I can see how you would get them mixed up, since they start and end with the same letters, but there are still some significant differences, too.

I thought it was Henry IV.

From John J. Reilly’s review of Fascism: A History, by Roger Eatwell:

I found much to agree with and much to disagree with in Sam Stone’s earlier post. Here I’ve quoted sentences I do agree with, For example, weren’t Pinochet’s Chile (“fascism”) and Deng’s China (“communism”) quite similar? (A main difference being their relations with U.S.!)

The biggest problem with Sam’s views is his treating mainstream Democratic Party and mainstream media as “leftist.” Instead this mainstream is centrist or even right-of-center; yet repeatedly in SDMB threads, a definition is assumed that those to the left of American median opinion are “leftists.” This misconception is fostered by right-wingers, and has the effect of continually moving the country to the right, as those who’d like to be “centrist” flee from the (supposedly leftist) main-stream media and Democratic Party.

Whether the policies of true leftists would lead to fascism is completely irrelevant here. True leftists have so little political power in U.S.A. as to be completely irrelevant.

The continuing increase of corporate power is the real fascist threat. The Democrat Party shares culpability for that, but the biggest problem is right-wing commentary. Although the right wing preaches anti-government “liberty and freedom,” the effect of that preaching is to enhance the power of private corporations, and that’s where the real fascist threat lies in America.

Good call. Let’s change it to a weisswurst at every Stamtisch, and call it a day.

The quote has often been attributed to Lewis, and also to Huey Long. However, nobody has ever documented its actual source.

It’s not as if there isn’t plenty of evidence of fear mongering by the GOP. 9/11 was the theme song for their convention.

Doubtful. The facist ideal is woefully obsolete for running a modern, technologically advanced nation with an educated populace. Straight up crackdowns are nostalgic relics, supplanted by what we (and many others) have now – a sorta of gelatinous goo that is extremely resistant to popular resistance and takes full advantage of information technology. I think the popular buzz word is squishy totalitarianism. Point is, it’s far too profitable for our betters to let some raving loon mess the system up. And he probably couldn’t, anyway, because he would just be absorbed.

The only mechanisms to bring down the current system would be so severe (e.g. nuclear war, massive energy crisis, economic catastrophe) it would probably lead to the breakup of the United States into smaller regional enclaves or maybe even city states.

Dems have all these on lockdown. Well, 4 might be arguable, but 4/5 ain’t bad.

If and when fascism comes to America, it will most likely come from the left, not the right. America is already well on the way to becoming a banana republic, thanks primarily to the economic and racial doctrines of the left.