Empirical, scientific evidence. Not anecdotes on a message board.
Let’s just say I’m skeptical. I think that many of them are probably deluded, while others are just cynical manipulators.
What kind of empirical evidence for feelings can you get? I ask this in all seriousness - surely, by definition, you can only ever have self-reported evidence for feelings and love, no? What empirical evidence could you provide that you love your wife and that she loves you?
Gloria Steinem, an anti-sex, anti-porn, transphobic feminist. All around a great, progressive gal. Yeah, that makes sense.
Neurological studies of what’s going on with brain chemistry. They’ve done plenty with regular pair bonding. It’s all just brain chemistry. There’s nothing mystical or elusive about it.
I didn’t know she was trans-phobic.
I didn’t mean that my wife was literally a Gloria Steinem acolyte, only that she tends towards that kind of 70’s style feminism. My wife definitely thinks that pr0n is evil (and attempts to argue with her about it gave not been productive for me), but she’s very pro-GBLT.
That’s fair.
So the forum is called In My Humble Opinion. You have as much a right to yours as anybody else. My parents and sister are deeply troubled by the fact that I’m gay, but their opinion matters little so long as they aren’t judgmental or pushy. If your line is you couldn’t be friends with someone in an open marriage, that’s your line. It’s the reasoning you used I disagree with, not your right to your point of view.
That has to be the most dubious appeal to authority I’ve ever seen. Especially since you have to realize we don’t actually *know *your wife.
Which doesn’t really matter anyway : she could be Andrea Dworkin herself (in which case, eww, dude. Poly’s one thing, necrophilia ? Uncool.) and her opinion of you still wouldn’t invalidate the sexist nature of things you have actually said to us, black on white, right here.
I’m confident I haven’t said anything sexist. Those kinds of accusations are just poisoning the well.
Maybe it got lost during the Dio show, but where is the ice cream and cake that was promised?
I just noticed that. I think ice cream and cake are an excellent breakfast. Skald, your cake delivery minions are slacking.
Wait. Really? You don’t think that your underlying assumption that women lack the same sexual agency and are capable of the same sexual desires for multiple partners as men is at all sexist? Not even a little bit? Not to mention your blanket assertion that “men are pigs” which is misandrist, to say the least.
Clap your hands if you believe ! 
The well was pretty fouled up once you asserted any person who didn’t subscribe to your own lifestyle choices was either a scumbag or a delusional trainwreck and you wouldn’t believe anybody who told you different, especially if they were in fact involved in the very alternate lifestyle you dump on so enthusiastically.
Once those ground rules are established there isn’t much room for debate, is there ?
There’s no such thing as a group marriage. It’s the beginning of a commune or some other social group that people on the internet will spend hours trying to define. Not my cup of tea. Not interested in being a 5th wheel. Does not fit in with my monogamous circle of friends.
So what? You think you’re a feminist, and yet the position you’ve taken in this thread is explicitly sexist. Why should your wife be any different?
I don’t think I’m a feminist, I’m just married to one, and no, I haven’t said anything sexist.
So, you don’t think that “men are pigs” is a misandrist statement? And you don’t consider your assertion that women in poly relationships are incapable of rationally choosing to be there, unlike the men in said relationships, to be at all misogynist? Your world must be a very strange place.
I am a man, so no.
I didn’t say this. I wish people would quit fabricating things I never said.
You can still be sexist as a man, just as a woman can be. You can be racist, whether you’re black or white. Being part of the group you’re being derogatory about doesn’t make it more true, or less sexist.
No, you’re right. You said:
The inference that “emotionally fucked up women” who are exploited incest survivors would be incapable of rational consent was mine. But I don’t think it’s an unreasonable paraphrase of your contributions to the thread so far.
I didn’t say they weren’t capable of consent. That is not a reasonable paraphrase at all. People who choose to shoot smack are capable of making an informed choice to do it. That doesn’t make them healthy for doing it.
Heterosexual non-monogamist here, for the record.