Huh? Are you saying the Tea Party folks were as talented as Obama? If not, then what are you saying? Maybe you disagree about AOC, but if she’s as talented as I think she is than the party is lucky to have her, and she’ll be a major player for decades.
There’s no conflict here except for those that want to manufacture one. So far, AOC and her allies haven’t pushed a single blue seat red, or done anything else that could harm the party. If they take action that results in loss of House seats for the Democrats than I’ll certainly criticize her as well, but nothing like that has happened yet. So far, the only Democrats she is targeting are shitty Dems in safely blue seats. That’s a good thing, not a bad thing.
It does not appear that AOC’s endorsements and support have been terribly effective so far.
Julie Salazar is the only one who won the general election, and she ran unopposed. None of the others won their primaries, or even came close.
If she’s trying to push the party further to the left, it ain’t working.
Now she has endorsed Bernie Sanders. That is not automatically the kiss of death, but if I were Bernie, I wouldn’t be picking out furniture for the White House just yet.
Regards,
Shodan
I grew up her district and lived there when I first got married, but that was decades ago so my view may be dated but IIRC the area has a large immigrant population and low voter turnout.
She got 17K votes in a primary with a 13% voter turnout against an overconfident incumbent that barely noticed someone was running against him until it was too late.
You sure “voters turned out for her” Or did a small minority of voters determine who the Democratic candidate would be?
Who has she persuaded that wasn’t already inclined to agree with her? Just like the tea party was the future of the Republican party and look where it got them.
Should the Republican party have embraced the tea party more than it did?
The Justice Democrats endorsed 79 candidates in 2018. 6 of them won.
It will be a repudiation of the far left.
Any thought that AOC may be better as the Chair of the DNC than a Representative?
There are some tactical similarities between the tea party movement and Justice Democrats but they aren’t the same. You’re saying everyone should logically feel the same way about both. That’s ridiculous.
That is the Rush Limbaugh/Tea Party playbook in reverse. Their plan was to run the most conservative Republican that can win in a given election. Do we want to follow suit? Do we really want to see what sort of Donald Trump the left will produce?
It would be better for Republicans. Is that what you mean?
Once again, Pelosi is Speaker because moderate Dems took districts away from Republicans, not because further left Dems beat more centrist Dems in Dem districts. If the DNC starts endorsing Dems based on how progressive they are, as opposed to who can win in their districts, then Dems will lose.
Yes! I want the most progressive Rep and Senator that can win the election, at least until the party is considerably more progressive than it is now. I want the party to be closer to my view while still winning. I assume you feel the same way – “your view” is just in a different place than mine.
There is no comparison. Trump’s electoral success wasn’t about right/left – it was about culture and bigotry. There’s no equivalent on the left right now.
Mark tried to equivocate his way out of every question. All AOC did was hold him accountable.
If she had allowed him to get away with his non-answers, chances are you would have a problem with that tool
So how was Joe Crowley a shitty Democrat?
And in what way is trading moderate democrats in safe blue seats any different than targetting moderate republicans in safe red seats?
There is more than a passing similarity between the Justice Democrats and the tea party. They are both trying to radicalize their parties and make their parties as far left or right as their constituencies will tolerate.
The White House, Congress, and two Supreme Court picks?
Yeah, let’s not let that happen for the dems. :rolleyes:
So then you see the analogy between the justice democrats and the tea party? That is exactly what Rush Limbaugh and the tea party did to the Republicans.
It would not have been possible without the tea party insurgency. At the very extremes, the far left is not much better than the far right.
There was no net loss. Maybe you don’t like AOC, but I do (a lot more than Crowley, certainly), so I see it as a net gain. She ran against him and won. There’s absolutely nothing wrong or harmful with young, talented progressives running for office in blue districts, even in primaries against other Democrats.
Who cares whether it’s different or not? More progressive Democrats in blue seats is good, at least from a progressive perspective. And Democrats are Democrats – different from Republicans.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
She hasn’t persuaded any of those things. WTF are you even talking about?
Are you saying that we will take control of government if we follow her lead?
No, they went nuts to the hateful right. I don’t want to do that – I want to go the not-hateful, not nuts progressive left. Left is different than right; progressive is different than nutty and hateful.
AOC isn’t “far left” to this point. Pretty much no one in the party is. The “far left” you’re talking about are the commies, way, way to the left of Bernie and AOC. No one is advocating for them.
He’s saying that the Republican strategy you’re decrying was enormously successful.
Rather she follow ours.