… Nick Sandmann wanted to draw attention to himself, and to his cause. The young man and his friends with cellphone cameras were visiting the Lincoln Memorial in order to protest abortion. That would be *his *“cause”. To draw attention to the issues championed by anti-abortion advocates. And Sandmann got everything he wanted and more.
The problem with your ridiculous narrative is that it could equally be applied to #bothsides. How about you just stop assuming what was going through Phillips mind at the time. Because we’ve heard Phillip’s account and it doesn’t match what you claim.
I’m genuinely sad you don’t understand my point.
There is a world of difference between the reach of some random person on the internet and the reach of a newspaper ranked 5th in distribution in the United States. The responsibility of the ethical journalist is to minimize harm. For example from the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics:
Just because the story was “on the internet” that doesn’t obligate a news outlet to publish it. Phillips being arrested 44 years ago is not pertinent to this story. It has the potential to cause harm to Phillips and it was irresponsible of the Post to publish this.
Yes, if you wear a MAGA hat there’s apparently a minuscule chance that an elderly man might beat a drum in your vicinity. This is definitely something you should fly into hysterics about.
How is that contradictory? Are you saying you can tell an African American’s hand from a South Asian’s hand?
There are still some of us around. I always found the ACLU actions in Skokie to be incredibly inspiring, and I’m trying my hardest to keep that flame alive from those who sneer at “freeze peach”.
I actually agree that MAGA hats are a kind of hate speech. But they are protected every much as the garb the Nazis wore (or planned to wear) in Skokie.
I agree. What he actually did was also reasonable.
These are descriptors that are judgement calls. I think it’s a reasonable judgement to make about this kid based on the hat alone, and the company he kept. But a smug, arrogant, douchey teenage boy sighting? Oh man, alert the media! I mean, WTF?
That’s either untrue, or he has some kind of intellectual disability. No one with a lick of sense thinks that banging your drum in one guy’s face defuses anything.
Shodan made that assertion. I did not express agreement with it. In fact, I explicitly stated that I don’t understand why Philips did what he did, and find it bizarre.
Nice guilt-by-association jab, BTW. I suspect Shodan and I would not look like “allies” if we were discussing something that actually matters.
Sure. But it was also reasonable to do what he did and stand his ground. Do you disagree?
And if Phillips just wanted to pass, why did he get in the kid’s face when there was plenty of room to get around him? How was passing by part of an effort to “defuse” anything? You seem to me to be contradicting your own narrative.
I get the sense that, as with Shodan, we would not be allies on most substantive issues. But the two passages I quoted here are just plain common sense IMO.
If he want to be a peacemaker, he should probably act like one. Otherwise, people might get the wrong impression. Maybe the old man thought the intended targets of his peace making/intimidation/bullying were mind readers?
Had it been just that one kid, absolutely. The reason it made the news was that that one kid was surrounded by a bunch of other privileged, white kids who were mocking the indigenous people and their drum playing. You, Sam, doorhinge, and everyone else seem to completely avoid the fact that the encounter took place when both Phillips and the kid were surrounded by other teens who were chanting, dancing, and doing tomahawk chops making a complete mockery of his actions and culture. In response, Phillips got a tiny bit closer to one of the kids, and continued playing his drum. That’s it. In the face of all that racist mockery, he played his drum a little too close to a kid. And, for that, the right wing hate machine comes full bore on the guy, calling him a bully when he’s literally surrounded by dozens of white kids mocking him and his culture.
Oh, so you will threaten violence to get someone to shut up, but will not actually act out in violence.
They did a great job of communicating their intentions. Before he got between the groups, the two groups were facing off with each other, and a fight was likely brewing in short order.
Once he was involved, tensions between the groups had decreased, and violence was much less likely.
And only a piece of shit troll would make a statement like that. You know the intent of anyone who doesn’t agree with you? Fuck you, and fuck the cactus that has become so lonely since we became allowed to say that.
If the teenager was being targeted, then stepping out of the way would have removed that target.
From what I saw, Philips was traveling more or less in a straight line between the groups. It is hard to see exactly what the student did, but he definitely moved between the time he was last in frame to when he was encountered. He was blocking Philip’s path.
Please cite.
Yeah, I saw a harassment case that went the same way. Where the defendant kept claiming that he wasn’t “blocking” his co-worker, as the hallways were wide enough for them to go around. They lost.
And when someone steps out in front of you and stares you down, you do what?
You are right, you are set in your ways, and there is likely no way that you can be convinced that the minority was not an evil creature out for hurting little white boys. Playing the “you’ll never convince me” card is pathetic, like doorhinge’s whining that he can’t be convinced about climate change.
You refuse to see the whole thing in context. You refuse to see what was happening before Philips came on the scene, and you refuse to put the blame for the incident at anything but the feet of the minority.
I hadn’t seen that in any of the news reports, can you please show me where Philips called for their expulsion?
And I will still agree that violence is not the appropriate response to a shirt or a hat.
But you seem to be saying that criticism is inappropriate.
Are you conflating criticism with violence?
Still do. Just also support the rights of counter protestors. Those are the ones whose speech you wish to stifle.
Things have changed, sure, but those days are only gone if people like yourself continue to insist that criticism of speech is the same as violence.
No, that can’t be, doorhinge has told us that we are a hive mind. Which of you is right?
The situation between the CC kids and the BIs. That was going to erupt into violence in short order. His actions prevented that. During his actions, while he was putting himself in between the two groups facing off against each other, he did encounter this kid, and they did face off, but taht is a completely different situation than the one he defused by distracting anyone.
Your insults towards him are noted.
You said:
You are not saying that he was trying to provoke a reaction? What line are you saying that he crossed? You are saying that the BI’s were more defensible than Philips?
You are both racists, you are both climate change enablers, and you both will automatically side with the white guy over the minority. There may be some differences between you, but you are working on the same side.
Oh sure, when someone is coming by singing and dancing, I make sure that I stand my ground in front of him and stare him down. That’s reasonable.
No, not contradicting, just too complex for you to hold the whole thing in your puny brain at once. The kid put himself in Philip’s path. He was challenging his right to pass by.
He was putting himself between the two groups. What do you not understand about this? That was his defusing of the situation. This is not complex. You either have to be stupid or willfully ignorant to not understand this most basic concept.
Nah, I think you guys would get along great together, dreaming of balmy winter days and minorities who know their place.
These constant accusations of racism make you look sad and foolish, and they diminish the criticisms of real racists. As a debating tactic it’s also useless, because if a person is not a racist and you call them one it just makes you look bad. And if they are racist, they aren’t going to give a shit about what you have to say about it anyway.
There was a time when a wild accusation of racism or misogyny might scare your opponent into going away because it’s such a vile thing to have attached to you. Those days are gone, and the people who diminish real racism by smearing all their opponents as racists just look pathetic and desperate.
Indeed so! Rest assured, should I ever encounter any such behavior, I will advise you soonest so that you can apply some brisk Canadian scolding. Thank you for your concern!
…because a bunch of right-wing shitbags elected Trump, who normalized racist behavior. Meanwhile supposed “rational” conservatives lacked the backbone to denounce the man because they were a bunch of worthless cowardly shitbags themselves.
If a “conservative” doesn’t speak out against Trump and gets called a racist, then they need to fucking own it, because their spineless behavior supports racists. Fucking cowards, too weak to speak up while their country goes down the tubes. Whinging about some elderly man who fucking did nothing except play the fucking drum, and you have the fucking nerve to wonder why we hold you in contempt.
No, I am not saying that. I have said repeatedly I find his actions bizarre and have no explanation for them.
I already articulated the line he crossed, and Sam Stone has done so as well.
Yes, the BI’s were more defensible than Phillips. AFAIK, they did not make it physical, and kept it in the realm of free speech.
Great political strategery, to dismiss someone who votes for Democrats, contributes money to Democrats, and volunteers for Democratic campaigns, as “working on the same side” as Republicans. :rolleyes:
Cite? I rewound the video and looked for exactly this, and saw no evidence that he moved into Philips’ path.
Why the fuck is this even news? Weird shit happened in the city. Weird shit always happens in the city. Weird shit happened to me last night in the city. So what? No one was hurt, nothing lasting happened, just three groups of idiots collided. That’s it.
I mean I know the answer. It’s because of social media, everyone carrying cameras/video recorders, and the fact that political symbols always cause people to start rabbling. But it’s depressing as hell to see people so obsessed with this nothingburger.
Let’s be perfectly clear here. Your “physical” is the minuscule, inadvertent brushing of a padded winter coat that may not have happened, was likely never even felt at all, and never actually was raised by any party as an issue. And you, once again, completely ignore the actions of the group of kids surrounding Mr. Phillips, who are openly mocking him and his culture. Just so we are crystal clear on where you’re coming from.
Real racists? Like a gaggle of white privileged teenagers openly mocking an indigenous person because he has the audacity to chant and play a hand drum?
WHY the hell were those kids allowed to wear those hats in the first place? You’d think the school would’ve said, “we don’t want to wearing any political gear, you’re here to represent the school, blah blah blah”. I’m seriously wondering where the FUCK the adults were in all of this. THAT is what really upsets me. Why is nobody going after the chaperones? Who was in charge?
So Huey I’ve been meaning to ask you, have you stopped beating your white yet?
People have told you over and over, that nobody thinks you’re a liar because you’re black. They think that because you’re a troll on the internet. And we’ve explained why we feel that way, as well, just as many times. If it makes you feel better to believe it’s because you’re black well hey, you do you.
As for reporting posts, it’s not about being a “snitch”, it’s just the way the board works. But again, you don’t seem to give a shit about the way this place works, because you’d rather play martyr. (Yeah, I know, I know, it’s all because you’re black and this is a white space, blah blah blah – please, we’ve heard it all over and over and over, yada yada yada)
