According to the Bible:
Heavens(universe)and Earth came first (Genesis 1:1)
Earth was formless(Genesis 1:2)
Water under the sky gathered to one place, and dry ground appeared (Genesis 1:9)
Land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land (Genesis 1:11)
great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems (Genesis 1:21)
Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals,(Genesis 1:24)
Man Came into being (Genesis 1:26)
So tell me does that disagree with the order of history?
Think about us and where we live.
Why are we the only (proven) planet with intelligent life. Why does are planet have a practically perfect gravity, breathable air, a precise orbit of the sun and slant to create a balance of seasons? why do we have such a variety of food, fruit, veg, trees? why is there color? Personally I think this world is much too beautiful to happen by chance/accident. and how come humans cannot use the full potential of their brains? Were we meant live for much longer? Be much smarter? Be perfect?
IIRC in the Bible flowering plants came before animals, which scientifically is in reverse order, and doesn’t make sense for plants to spend all that energy to make pretty flowers with no one around to sniff them and carry their pollen.
Plus, by the Biblical account, land vegetation (Genesis 1:11) came before life in the sea (Genesis 1:21), which is contradicted by the fossil record and even the hierarchy of organisms today.
For starters, the latest evidence shows that light was first, but Genesis says that the heaven and earth were first. Thing is, many elements that make earth and even our bodies were not here until a Supernova close by exploded eons ago and then the sun and then the earth formed. http://www.astrosociety.org/education/publications/tnl/08/08.html
Well, Douglas Adams already thought about that and he explained better why it is not really a good idea to ignore probability:
You’re putting the cart before the horse on that. For example, the air is only “breathable” because we evolved to breath it. In fact, the atmosphere was rather different in the distant past, and our speices wouldn’t have been able to survive under the conditions you’d find. Why do you think we see that part of the e/m spectrum that we call visible light? That’s the part of the spectrum that most easily penetrates our atomsphere. Note that the other long-wve length parts of the spectrum that also peneterat easily wouldn’t be much help in resolving objects smaller than a house.
Oh, this again. Ah well, it’s like Jack Burton always says, “What the hell.” I’ll answer your questions if you’ll answer mine.
Because we haven’t ventured to other star systems and investigated them for signs of intelligent life. Given that intelligent life–in the sometimes questionable form of human civilization–has only existed for a few thousands of years on Earth compared to the approximate 13.7Byr (far less than a percentage point) even if intelligent life developed readily, is it really surprising that we’d don’t find anyone hanging around the same neighborhood at the same time?
Define “perfect gravity”; what’s so perfect about 9.81m/s[sup]2[/sup]? The reason we have “breathable air”, et cetera is that this is the environment we’ve evolved to adapt to. If the air were methane and liquid nitrogen, any existing life would be evolved to breath that. And the uncomfortable and rakish angle of the planet causes much consternation. Why wouldn’t an idyllic world would have a minor to negligable tilt to ensure Garden of Eden like conditions throughout the year with no growing and freezing seasons?
Er, because plants are some of the oldest multicellular land organisms and have evolved to adapt in a variety of ways, each assuring their survival and competitive advantage in their particular environment. Why would some god create such an exhausing variety of foods to eat, many of which can barely be distinguished from their toxic family-mates? Wouldn’t it be easier to have one type of fruit or vegetable that can be easily harvested, is delicious, and provides all required nutrients?
This is due to something we like to call the electromagnetic spectrum, our ability to distinguish which gives us a superior capability to do things like seperate out toxic fruits from edible ones. (See the previous question.) Why wouldn’t there be color, divine creation or no?
It’s your choice to believe what you want, but appeals to esthetic arguments fail any logical rigor. There’s no indicateion that humans don’t use the “full potential of their brains”, at least not in the sense of the old “using only 10% of our brain capacity” urban legend. The brains to appear to be redundant, which is probably a combination of how they work (like a network rather than a linear action system) and the need to recover from damage and trauma. To speak intelligably about neuroscience, you’re first going to have to read up on the topic; I recommend Ian Glynn’s An Anatomy of Thought: The Origin and Machinery of the Mind as a good introductory primer for the intelligent layman.
You ask these questions based upon what? There’s no indication in natural science–none whatsoever–that we were “meant” to do anything, nor does it seem clear that following any religious protocols or dogma cause you to live significantly longer, become more intelligent, or achieve perfection. Why do you think that we’re supposed to be longer-lived, smarter, or perfect?
Stranger
“It’s like I told my last wife, ‘Honey, I never drive any faster than I can see, and besides, it’s all in the reflexes.’” – Jack Burton
And this feeling of yours is considered “evidence” of anything?
The alternative to “chance/accident” isn’t “intention;” it’s “cause and effect.” The world we live in, and everything in it, is the result of cause and effect (and by the way, that includes the fact that we have free will).
Yes, in more than one place. The fossil record strongly supports the fact that:
-Animals existed in the sea BEFORE plants appeared on land.
-Anything remotely resembling a tree or seed bearing plant on land came AFTER 'things that crawl on the ground
-Flying animals (of any kind, not necessarily birds) - although not included in your synopsis, are described by the Bible as appearing before land animals; this is contrary to the fossil record.
If this planet were not suitable for life, you wouldn’t be here complaining about it - you just wouldn’t be here at all - your argument here is analogous to marvelling that humans all have legs that are just the right length to reach the floor.
It’s also a little lame to claim that YOUR particular creation story got the basics of “stuff wasn’t created and then it was” especially right when this is an aspect of virtually every creation story, and seems like a pretty basic and inevitable element of any sort of explanation for how the world came to be. The rest is all exactly what any random person would think up thematically. And don’t underestimate the wackiness of the waters part. The people who believed this story really thought that there was literally a body of water up above a dome in the heavens or something like that.
Welcome, Cegstar. Yours is the classic argument from personal incredulity. Simply stated, there is no evidence for creationism, and the inability to imagine how these things could have arisen naturally is not evidence that did not in fact do so.
Or, to be a little more charitable to Cegstar, he is trying to make a teleological argument.
Such arguments have been the subject of some great debates throughout the history of philosophy, but at a much more sophisticated level than the OP’s, in both their presentations and their refutations.
Well, the people living on Jupiter and Venus wouldn’t agree with you. Wait, there are no people there? (Silly deity). Perhaps that’s because life only evolves on the right planets.
As for the diversity of food, that’s due to a little thing called evolution, which you should read about some time. Live longer? Why does it make sense for us to live beyond the time our children can go on their own. Nice for us, but it doesn’t help the species all that much. Be much smarter? We’re plenty smart already. Be perfect? What exactly does that mean? If we were all perfect for one environment, and it changed, we’d be screwed. Diversity is protection for our species.
This is beginning to look like a drive-by posting, but Cegstar if you’re still lurking on your own thread, a good place to go for information on stuff like this is http://www.talkorigins.org/. That is, if you really want to understand the other side.
Oh, and if you do post again, please explain about the two creation stories, using different orders.
