Creationism questions

I asked these questions in the evolution vs. creation thread, but the only replies I got were from evolutionists, so I’m starting a new thread in the hope that my curiosity will be satisfied.

If you are a young-earth creationist, then:

  1. Why do galaxies rotate?

  2. How do you explain protein homology?

-Ben

Because God made it happen!

Actually, I have no idea. Just boosting my post count. You have to have a high number to be recognized here in the debates ya know.

I believe David B is a Creationist. I’m not totally sure since he is often shy and reluctant to give his opinion on such hings.

David? Can you help the lad?


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  1. Why do galaxies rotate? Because they follow the laws of physics. Why shouldn’t they rotate, creationism or evolutionism?

  2. What is protein homolgy?


Chaim Mattis Keller
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“Sherlock Holmes once said that once you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the answer. I, however, do not like to eliminate the impossible.
The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it that the merely improbable lacks.”
– Douglas Adams’s Dirk Gently, Holistic Detective

Protein homology is that proteins from different species that perform the same function have similar amino acid sequences, e.g. hemoglobin in rats is similar to hemoglobin in humans is similar to hemoglobin in chimps. And, the more closely related the species are the more similar the amino acid sequences are, so the amino acid sequence of human hemoglobin is more similar to the sequence of chimp hemoglobin than rat hemoglobin.

The way I, as a Ph.D. in molecular biology and creationist, explain it is simple. Once God invented hemoglobin (or any other protein) He didn’t need to re-invent it for each new species. The carburator (spelling?) on a Ford is pretty much the same as a carburator on a Chevy, which is pretty much the same as a carburator on a Datsun. After all, they perform the same function. I like to call it my General Motors theory of creation.

A PhD in molecular biology who can neither spell “carburetor” nor take the 10 seconds required to look it up?

[sub]Note to self: start threead on the demise of educational standards in a decadent society.[/sub]

Actually, I am kind of curious as to why these particular items would be singnificant markers of a particular cosmological origin. I am also interested in whether batgirl is a young earth creationist or simply a believer in God as the unltimate cause of our universe. If you are a young earth creationis, do you see any conflicts with that belief and the generally accepted evolutionary basis of your profession?


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Yes, I am a Ph.D. in molecular biology who can’t spell to save her life and hasn’t figured out how to use spell check in this particular application on my computer. The title of my dissertation was “Regulation of Collagenase Gene Expression in Normal, Differentiating Rat Osteoblasts.”

I’m not familiar with the term “young-earth” creationist, so I can’t say whether I am one or not. I believe that creation happened the way it says in Genesis, with the stipulation that we don’t really know what a “day” was until the sun and moon were created (day three or four, I don’t remember and I don’t have a Bible handy, as I’m at work). I stay away from the Physics part of the arguements as my knowledge of Physics is limited to the 8 hours I took as an undergraduate.

I’m not sure what you mean by “significant markers of particular cosmological origin.” Could you elaborate?

As far as the accepted dogma of my profession goes, I didn’t become a creationist until I was about half way through graduate school. That was when I realized that the molecular biologists didn’t have any more proof of what they were claiming than the creationists did AND too many things would have had to happen, all purely by chance, for the molecular biologists to be right. There is a famous (at least in religious circles) story about a rabbi named Akiva Tatz discussing creation / evolution with an evolutionist. After leading the evolutionist through all of the steps that would have had to have happened in order for the world to come into existence Rabbi Tatz delcares “You have more bitachon (faith) than I do.”

Never ever ever misspell something when you’re writing a grammar slam.

So batgirl, how old do you think are:

  1. the universe?
  2. the earth?
  3. life on earth?
  1. the universe? who knows. Like I said, since the sun wasn’t created on day one, we don’t know what a “day” was. Could have been billions of years.

  2. the earth? 5760 years plus a few months, according to my Hebrew calendar.

  3. life on earth? 5760 years plus a few months, less a couple of days (Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day, the earth a couple of days before that)

I really wish I had a Bible with me - could someone with access to one look up on what day the sun and earth were created?

So how do you account for all of the evidence that indicates the earth is much older than 6000 years?

Not being a physicist, I hesitate to comment on the quality of the data estimating the age of the earth. I will say that all measurements are based on assumptions, and the assumptions made in estimating the age of the earth could be wrong. IIRC the estimated age of the universe has been revised a couple of times (not sure about changes in the age of the earth.) I’ve also heard a couple of different explanations from physicists who are Orthodox Jews. Dr. Goldfinger is a popular lecturer at Aish HaTorah, a Jewish outreach organization. He has a Ph.D. in physics from M.I.T. He wrote a book on his theory of time dilation, which IIRC is that time is realted to mass and that if the mass of the universe were concentrated in a single point (pre Big Bang) time would move much more slowly. Somehow he ties that in to the estimates of the age of the earth, but I heard is lecture several years ago and really don’t remember how it all fits together.

To be honest, I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about the age of the earth. I do, however, spend a lot of time thinking about molecular biology, protein homology, etc. and feel much more comfortable talking about that since that is what I do for a living.

Mayday! Mayday! Batgirl is going down!

Seriously though, where did you get your Ph.D., Batgirl? The belief of creationism is not uncommon in molecular biologists, but young Earthers are really really rare. I mean, 6000 years? That’s pushing it…

Oh, and Spiritus Mundi also misspelled “threead” :smiley:

I reeived my Ph.D. from Saint Louis University in 1996 - I defended my dissertation in July, spent a couple of months fixing the margins and all that kind of stuff, they mailed me the diploma. I didn’t go to graduation for religious reasons.

oops, thought you asked when, not where, that’s while all the info on dates. I was up a little late last night making Shabbos - but I stand by my answer on the age of the earth.

What do you think happened to the dinosaurs? And all other extinct forms of life?

Died in the flood.

Did God kill them? Why? Why did he make them if he just wanted to kill them?

Do you have any evidence for a worldwide cataclysmic flood?

Oh well… here comes the standard question bank for young Earthers… Nah, that’ll take too long. Let’s start with two easy ones :slight_smile:

1): Please explain why radiometric dating puts the Earth’s age at 4.5 billion years.

2): Explain why fossils exist.