Sorry, Friar. Thanks for the correction.
Ooops! Sorry again, there, Friar.
I’m responding to John.
Well, let’s see, tomndebb, aptronym, voyager, Onomatopoeia…
I’m not looking for agreement, John. It’s more of an observation.
I don’t entirely accept evolution either, it’s a HUGE step,
but still a theory.
Read back to what these members said about the problems with this in the workforce.
From hotflungwok:
"I’ve seen the results of these ‘colleges’ at a normal college, and it isn’t just evolution they have a problem with. I’ve seen students argue with teachers over points backed solely by quotes from the bible fully expecting to win, dismiss arguments with ‘Thats what the devil wants us to think’, flat out call professors wrong to their faces in class or laugh at things when they don’t agree with them. This is in sociology, literature, philosophy, mathematics, not just biology. "
And from Onomatopoeia who was responding to you, John:
"John, I think if you take the long view, you may see that there’s more to what prleone is saying than a desire to curtail a private institution’s practices. Unlike the Amish and, to a great extent, Native Americans, graduates of Crristianity-focused colleges like LU, RU, and ORU not only interact with the general public once they leave school, or matriculate from other schools, as hotflungwok said, but are indoctrinated, inculcated, and encouraged to express a driving desire to effect changes, from a religious perspective, in our political and legislative systems, from the national down to the local level, that can negatively impact society. "
And, John, you said this topic belongs in Great Debates.
I’m more interested to hear from all sides.
I have no agenda with this. No Crusade here. (Pun intended)
No one has agreed that we should prevent private schools from teaching creationism. Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that.
In science, it doesn’t get any better than “theory”. The modern synthesis of Darwin’s ideas is one of the most established scientific theories. It has been tested, retested, subjected to decades of scrutiny, and has been successful in making astoundingly accurate predictions about the real world. You say it’s “still” a theory as if it could somehow become something more at a later date. It can’t.
That’s college, not work.
That’s a problem he sees with people in Christian-focused colleges. If you kept those colleges just as they are except had them teach evolution, those problems would still remain. Thousands of students (millions maybe?) graduate from regular colleges every year who do not accept evolution. It wasn’t their education that was lacking, it was their religious beliefs that trumped what they were taught.
And after college comes???
Are they going away to a commune?
From CNNs “God’s Warriors” we saw the two Liberty U. female students
who won the scholarship on the Lord’s Prayer debate (previously mentioned).
One girl says, “I want to be a defense lawyer for Christians.”
Okay, esquires, sign in. What do you think?
My opinion tells me they will be gravely disappoiinted
when the ones they might be representing after passing the bar
would be named Uzi, or Dead-B, both Christian, on a violent criminal charge.
And we read from Davidm (TYVM) and Wikipedia:
“The law school, which opened in 2003, gained provisional accreditation from the American Bar Association in 2006, which enables its graduates to sit for any bar examination in the United States…
Liberty successfully completed re-accreditation, and remains currently accredited by SACS and TRACS.”
Then we find TRACS record (pun intended) to be a questionable one:
"Another source of criticism was the 1991 granting of accreditation to the Institute for Creation Research. One of TRACS’ board members was Henry M. Morris, founder of ICR. Timothy Sandefur, a fellow at the Claremont Institute, called Morris’s position on the board “highly questionable”. Levicoff states, “Morris’ influence is so strong that TRACS attaches a two page defense of the young earth position (written by Morris) to their doctrinal statement.” Hmmm… very fishy.
Now these students at schools like Liberty U. have parents who trust the values
upheld and taught by these schools, their kids believe them, they become attorneys,
hit the legal pavement… unprepared.
If you don’t think that a belief in Creationism and beliefs which DON’T accept other possibilities might hinder these young students as attorneys…
Five bucks says they switch to Liberal Arts, if that’s taught.
Somebody rang for me?
First of all, John is totally correct. If some guy goes in front of a school board asking to ban teaching creationism in private schools, they’re going to wish they had approved the appropriation request for a trap door in the boardroom. School boards have zilch, nada, nothing to do with private schools.
Now, I agree that the quality of our schools and what is taught there do affect people in the workforce. But creationism has a minimal effect, and is probably a symptom of other, deeper problems. Banning creationism, but not starting to teach critical thinking and real science is not going to improve anything.
BTW, I won’t repeat what John said about evolution being a theory, but you saying that just shows you have some studying to do on this topic. You shouldn’t believe in evolution, you should be aware of enough of the evidence to accept it. No belief necessary.
Here’s the thing… It’s been my experience that most of the people who do accept evolution don’t really know much of anything about it, and what they do “know” is largely wrong. If success in the workplace were dependent on understanding evolution, our economy would be more like North Korea’s than like what it is today. Just participate in one of the evolution related threads in GD or GQ and you’ll see that even this board, populated by some of the best and the brightest, is a veritable bastion of ignorance about that subject.