Creative types who owe their success to being born at the right time.

IMHO, artists fall into three catagories: Those who would be famous at any time in history (Wolfgang Mozart and John Lennon), those born too early (Vincent Van Gogh and Jack Kerouac), and those born at exactly the right time in history for their talents.

Someone told me Michelanglo is a prime historical example of this. I thought the best modern example was Kurt Vonnegut, until I told someone else and he shot back one word “Dylan.” And he didn’t mean Thomas, but Bob.

So what’s your take on this idea?

Brando

Hugh Hefner.

Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian, god help us all.

I said “CREATIVE” dammit. The world is fill of people famous for being famous.

Verdi.

Gershwin.

Pollock and Rothko. Versus DeKoonig who would’ve been famous at any time.

Eddie Van Halen vs. Stevie Ray Vaughn.

I think Rothko would make the cut.

Now, Basquiat and Hirst…

I find Rothko’s work enduring, yes. But that type of luminous simplicity would not have been understood until right around his lifetime; that is what I meant.

Ah. I agree.

If John Lennon and Bob Dylan make the cut in pop music, then Elvis has to. He would have been invented if he hadn’t just appeared on the scene.

But standing well above and apart from those guys, I second panache45’s selection of George Gershwin. If there is even a second place in his category (and it would have to be broadened to include him) it would be Cole Porter.

I think Lennon would have been popular at any time in history, but Dylan inarguably owes his success to the 1960’s.

Louis Armstrong

What you’re really trying to identify is people whose fame is highly context sensitive, rather than based upon some innate or otherwise non-context-sensitive talent. So a lot of what got Lennon attention after and outside of the Beatles was part of the political climate, you could also argue.

Anyone that made wayyy tooo much money for being a jobless teenager with too much time on their hands.

Napster, Google, Facebook, ect…

Take the internet away and then what do you have?

Matter of fact take away electricity…there sure be a lot of poop scoopers. :wink:

I don’t think the Beetles would have been much a success around 1824 (year Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony was written).

Napster… OK, it’s probably a stretch to say Shawn Fanning created something. But the Google guys changed the very structure of web searching and Facebook rules the Internet. These are tech-savvy geniuses that would have knocked off Gates and Jobs if they had been born in the late 50s.

Phish. They rose to the top just as the Dead were winding down, followed by the death of Jerry Garcia.

Edison for being born when the industrial revolution was at its height.

Then later, because moving pictures were there already thanks in part by Edison, filmmakers like Chaplin and Alfred Hitchcock.

Frank Lloyd Wright.