Someone get me my smelling salts, quick, I sense a one-trick pony coming on…
Well, I don’t know what the rest of that quote includes, but as it stands it’s an expression of his opinion about what Bush would “like” to do, does he say that he thinks that it is the Resident’s purpose entire? Not only is it not paranoid, it absolutely stands to reason that Bush would want that. Unless you think he is somehow immune to human emotion?
I don’t accept that Sheen is a raving lunatic, so the debate won’t work from that perspective.
Dangerous how due to what ignorance?
And what makes you think that “The Hollywood Left” is ** all ** * anything? * They are individual human beings with differences, like everyone else. The only things that tie them together are the fact that they are creative (a good thing) and mostly have money.
A true statement, however it is spelled.
I’d like to second that snort if I may…Some things are just beneath addressing seriously
Current Hollywood conservatives:
Mel Gibson
Bruce Willis
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Sylvester Stallone
Bo Derek
Tom Sellek
Charlton Heston
Kevin Costner
Rick Schroeder
John Schneider
This is just off the top of my head. I know I’ve seen longer lists, but I can’t quite seem to google one. Duck Duck Goose, if you’re out there can you summon a comprehensive list?
From the viewpoint of someone deeply interested in film-making, Hollywood epitomizes crass! (surprise, surprise)
Or in other words, the success of the free market by appealing to the lowest common denominator (which despite being a success of the market deciding, is still IMHO simultaneously a failure at another level)
Which is why I find it ironic that Hollywood is predominantly Left and find it strange that they rail against greed and big business.
My thoughts exactly. They’re actors, not experts, so why the hell does anyone care what they think about politics or anything else that they’re not experts on? That’s the only outrageous thing about their statements: some people think that they’re worth more because they came from a famous mouth. Visibility to the public does not make one’s political opinions more valid than an every day person’s.
I have never heard this about these two. I’d actually be really, really surprised to find out Costner is a conservative given, oh, say, Dances With Wolves (a project supposedly near and dear to ol’ Kevin’s heart).
And FWIW, I’ve never heard Stallone is really conservative – just that he reliably votes Republican, which isn’t exactly the same thing. He isn’t politically active like some of the other names on that list, AFAIK.
Schwarzenegger is no conservative, luckily, he can never run for president. Schwarzenegger just pretends to be republican, but his ideas are liberal.
Sylvester Stallone is MORE liberal than Barbara Striesand! Stallone is a nazi! When Sylvester Stallone proposed totally outlawing all guns in the UNited States(except for his own of course).
When Stallone was questioned that it would be nearly impossible to find all the guns, he advocated that police do house to house searches, by square mile, over the entire United States, without search warrents. Stallone is the envy of all of Hitlers own SS troops.
Charlton Heston once campaigned against the Second Amendment back in 1968, but has since said he was wrong, young and foolish back in 1968.
Dont know too much about the others, but I thought Costner was a liberal too.
YOu left out the real conservatives: Robert Stack and Clint Eastwood .
Tom Selleck is ok.
Nope, but millions of people agree with them, people who do not get the chance to be heard. So it is nice that someone who has a voice is saying what those who agree are thinking. Just so Koko doesn’t get the impression that everybody is rooting him on.
When I think “Hollywood conservative” the first name that springs to mind is Tom Selleck. But there’s also Senator-turned-actor Fred Thompson, Tony Danza, Pat Sajak, Rick Schroder, Susan Howard, Bruce Willis, Kurt Russell, who identifies as Libertarian, the previously mentioned Ted Nugent and Arnold Schwarzenegger, and the Wednesday Morning Club, a conservative entertainment industry group, which contains many behind-the-scenes people like producers, directors, and studio heads.
There is some degree of stigma for conservatives in Hollywood, so they tend to be lower-profile than the liberals. There’s also quite a few actors who are religious conservatives and probably identify as Republican on that basis.
I didn’t mean to imply that there wasn’t a preponderance of liberals at least among actors who are politically active, just that Hollywood isn’t a liberal monolith.
Wow! I see that in the time I spent composing my list (being careful to check for accuracy, since this GD, after all) others have beaten me to it.
I don’t mind actors using their celebrity to promote their own political agendas, as long as their audience uses its brains to make its own political choices. I worship both Rick Schroder and Martin Sheen as actors, but I’m not going to base my political beliefs on what either of them has to say.
Susanann – Is a position on the Second Amendment the only way to identify a conservative? What if someone shared the standard Republican positions on defense, the economy, education, abortion, and civil rights, but supported some form of gun control? Would that automatically him a liberal?
During the '96 GOP primaries, Costner supported, and donated money to, Senator Phil Graham (I know, I know, I didn’t want to believe it either).
I put Rick Schroeder on the list based on comments and positions he used to state on Politically Incorrect (gun freak, hated Clinton, 'family values," etc.).
Huh. Learn something new everyday (though I’d still reserve judgment on Costner – it’s entirely possible he just has no thought-out political philosophy. That, plus I’m never getting back the hours of my life wasted on Dances with Wolves, Waterworld and The Postman).
SpoilerVirgin: Tony Danza? Pat Sajak? You’ve gotta be kidding me.
I always figured Arine to be a moderate Republican. Maybe sleeping with a Kennedy has pushed him left.
Anyway, someone once mentioned the constitutional bar to his running for the presidency. His response: “The Cahn-sti-too-shun can be ah-mended.” 
Well, if Stallone is a Nazi, then he’s the ultimate Right-Winger, since Fascism is the Rightest of the Right.
And Before you continue in this vein, I suggest a search for “Godwin”
Susanann, pardon me, but…
CITE CITE CITE CITE CITE?!?!?!
Mr. Godwin? Paging Mr. Godwin? Please pick up the white courtesy phone!
Please, give us a cite for the above. Also, please look up the phrase, “Godwin’s Law” before you make a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Anyway, hasn’t Bush mentioned Saddam as the “Man who tried to kill my father?” I’ll see if I can’t find anything on that, but what Sheen said is hardly outrageous! He also stated that it was his opinion. Not a FACT, just how he sees things. He does seem to be very sensitive of his father’s presidency.
And so what if he is? I mean, it would be a bad reason to go to war, but I would be pretty upset if there was someone out there running around who tried to kill my dad!
I think Bush sees things too much in terms of black and white, and yes, I think this IS a sort of rematch-Gulf War II: Bush’s Revenge.
YMMV
SpoilerVirgin wrote:
Gah. Why did you include a libertarian in a pile of conservatives? For the record, Clint Eastwood has also said that he is libertarian.
Stoid-simul post!
Rick Schroder spoke at the 2000 Republican Convention in honor of George W. Bush. And just for Susanann, he’s also a member of the N.R.A.
Here’s an article by Pat Sajak expressing a very conservative point of view: The Disconnect Between Hollywood and America.
It’s harder to find a cite for Tony Danza. He has said in interviews that he started out as a liberal, but became conservative as he got older. But he doesn’t seem to be politically active, and I can’t seem to find his position on the Second Amendment. We may have to leave it him in the “maybe” column.
I didn’t mean to set myself up as an expert on conservatives in Hollywood. As I said before, I am a liberal, but I do follow Hollywood news, and the admittedly minority conservatives have been getting more press lately.
Hey lib, I got a question for you: Have you ever heard of a self-proclaimed Libertarian voting Democrat?
Actually fascism is an offshoot of socialism.
Pardon the hijack, but I have never, ever understood this sentiment. The notion seems to be “Communism is extreme liberalism, so Fascism must be extreme conservatism.” Which, given conservatism’s belief in decentralized government and free-market solutions, doesn’t seem to be the case.
(N.B: the Nazis may have left the means of production in private hands, but as far as I know they were’t content to let the free market make production decisions – lots of state interference with private industry, even if less by comparison to the Communists).
If this can be answered quickly, fine, but otherwise perhaps a new thread would be in order.