Yes, actually, I do sometimes.
I vote straight party Libertarian, but when there is no Libertarian candidate, and I do not know the person on the ballot, I vote Democrat for positions like judge or attorney general, and Republican for positions like tax assessor or state treasurer.
Because the list I was citing included him. I even put in the libertarian disclaimer just for you, so you wouldn’t think I was lumping a libertarian in with the Republicans. But if you don’t want libertarians included as conservatives, we can remove him (and Clint too). Of course, by Susanann’s standards, anyone who strongly supports the Second Amendment is a conservative by default.
Given how hard Costner worked to make a (terrible) movie of David Brin’s (very good) SF novel, The Postman, it’s hard to buy Costner as a conservative. Brin is fundamentally a communitarian liberal, and the book is very much a reflection of a communitarian philosophy.
I don’t see why it’s such a big deal that Hollywood stars are mostly liberal. Nobody makes a big deal about jocks, at least white jocks, being mostly conservative.
I’m about to blow SusanAnn’s mind:
I am a liberal.
And I support the Second Amendment.
(sniff Do I smell neurons melting?)
“Anti-freedom?” Hollywood? What is the position of Hollywood liberals on decriminalization of marijuana, do you suppose? And the “conservative” Administration’s position on same? And which position is more pro-freedom, would you say?
Well, don’t look at things as a straight pole with opposite ends-it’s more like a square-top would be authoritarian, bottom libertarian. Right would be conservative, left would be liberal.
So fascism is typically on the upper right, while communism would be on the upper left. That doesn’t mean they don’t have things in common-they do, it’s just t heir approach or ideals are different.
(and if I have to sit through one more lecture about how Hitler was really a communist and/or leftist, I’m going to scream.) Hey, us leftists admit that we have Lenin and Stalin, why don’t you guys be nice and take Hitler and Mussolini? 
I should have suspected the best rather than the worst. How gracious of you to go out of your way for me! 
Thank you, and I’m sorry.
Guin:
It’s kind of a whole interesting though. Fascism is extreme leftism. Fascists are Socialists just like communists.
Nowadays though neo-nazis are identified and seem to identify themselves as wing.
Fascism though is quite the combination of private profiteering, totalitarianism, and socialistic control.
The fact is that if we bred Pat Buchanan with Barbara Streisand we’d end up with fascists.
So, while technically and historically leftist, fascism doesn’t really belong in either camp, IMO.
Not from what I learned in college.
Fascists often use the power of government to protect the wealthy, and to quell uprisings by the poor and disenfranchised. (See Franco’s Spain, and any number of fascistic Latin American dictatorships.) It frequently appeals to bigotry.
Communists use the power of government to unseat the wealthy. It appeals to envy.
Fascism is a disease of the right, Communism a disease of the left.
Anyone wishing to debate this further really ought to open a new thread.
I do, too, ** spoke, ** I just understand it to mean something different than the NRA does.
OK then. Here’s Benito himself on fascism:
Because Adolph Hitler was the most famous “leftist” of all.
He is yours, not ours.
FYI, Adolph Hitler was, in fact, the leader of the National SOCIALIST party(Nazi for short) in Germany in the first part of the 20th century . Even Hitler called himself a socialist.
His ideas and proposals were all socialist, from gun control, to social security, to day care centers, highway projects, medical care, housing, etc.
Hitler was not so much a communist, as he was a socialist. Hitler did not “nationalize” all private industry, and he did not outlaw private property, rather, he let Mercedes Benz and others continue to own their own factories.
Where did the extermination of inferior races fit into his liberal philosophy?
Call it genetic environmentalism.
Where I come from, conservatives believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do you have a problem with that?
I call it insane. Hitler was no less a liberal than Ted Kazinsky was a libertarian. Extremists are their own breed.
Getting back to the celebrity topic…
Aren’t there a ton of country singers who espouse conservative values. Is Wynona Judd some sort of sage that we all need to listen to?
Wow! Thanks for the info, he must be a good guy then. Yeah, and Ted Nugent and Fred Thompson are defintely good guys too. So too with Drew Carey.(although sometimes it is hard to think of Fred Thompson as being a good guy after seeing him in the movie: Race With the Devil)
Really? A lot of conservatives I know seem to have a problem with the 4th Amendment, and for that matter, some quibbles with the 1st Amendment and the 8th Amendment. They tend to ignore the 9th Amendment altogether, since it interferes with their “strict constructionist” approach to Constitutional issues.
Susanann, would you PLEASE offer up a CITE for all of your statements?
And the Hitler is a leftist is another debate. Start a new thread for that. I’M NOT GOING THERE IN THIS THREAD!
Sorry, Scylla, what I got was the total opposite of what you got.
I’m not saying that old Benito didn’t get some socialist concepts, but he’s not what one would call a leftist.