Cricket World Cup 2019

SAF Quotient calculated progressively
Score Result Opponent Oscore Quotient
207/10 L England 311/8 0.532
309/8 L Bangladesh 330/6 0.626
227/9 L India 230/4 0.569
29/2 N West Indies DNB 0.550
131/1 W Afghanistan 125/10 0.846
241/6 L New Zealand 245/6 0.871
259/9 L Pakistan 308/7 0.825
206/1 W Sri Lanka 203/10 1.018

SAF’s quotient is 1.018 because they belted AFG and SL, bowling them out for low totals and passing them 1 down.

I noticed that during the first half of the tournament, the games played in London were all at the Oval. During the second half, the London venue is Lord’s. Any reason for this? I thought perhaps it’s due to over-use, but then saw that there are Old Trafford games throughout the tournament from start to finish.

Thank you. I know I was at the WACA when Alderman injured his shoulder but I am sure I must have been to a Test prior to that. I saw John Benaud play and my grandfather told me he saw Lindsay Hassett score a double century in a Test match.

I have probably mentioned it before but in the 1970’s I shared accommodation with one of Keith Miller’s sons.

Well that was a surprise. I’d give New Zealand a 20 percent chance to beat India with England Australia being a coin flip.

I watched the first 10 overs and thought Australia were gone. Not a total surprise - it will certainly be interesting finals.

I thought they were shot ducks several times, and still ran SAF close.

Interesting context for AUS v ENG.
The hosts haven’t lost at Egbaston for a decade, AUS have never lost a semifinal.

Going to be some major changes to the lineup. Khawaja is out for the tournament and his cover (Shaun Marsh) has a broken arm so they have brought in Handscombe. Think Wade the better option or Travis Head and they’ll go with the extra batsman

Stoines is hurt and out of form. His cover is Mitch Marsh (oh no!)

Wow, I hadn’t thought about Wade when they brought Handscomb in for Marsh. He has just scored the fastest list A century by any Australian. Hopefully, he will be called in as the replacement for Khawaja.

Travis Head- oh no! Mitchell Marsh- oh no. Agree that Wade would be a better choice and also a back up keeper. Maxwell has done precious little although there seems no one to replace him. The signs are not good for Australia.

MarshM is the only “like for like” replacement for Stoines.

Finch
Warner
Smith
Wade
Maxwell
Head
Carey
Cummins
Starc
Lyons
Hazelwood

But they’ll stick with Berendorf, include MarshM for Wade and Handscombe at the #3 as best replacement for Khawaja

No - not quite. I have a problem with that argument.

The winner of the game is the team who scores the most runs. Taking wickets is a defensive measure whereby you can help prevent the opposition from scoring as many runs as they want - but it doesn’t matter how many wickets you take. There have been many games in all forms of cricket where a side has won a game and still lost more wickets than the opposition. You can win a game by having a poor bowling attack and great fielding - but we don’t propose to decide games by number of ‘diving stops in the outfield’ or ‘slips catches’.

It’s a bit like deciding tied matches in soccer by how many corners a team received in a match, or how many fouls they conceded etc. Those are just means to an end - scoring (or defending) goals. That game is about goals. Similarly cricket is about runs.

I think I, in turn, have a problem with this as an analogy.

The comparison isn’t about who does or doesn’t win a match, it’s about who does or does not get ranked higher in a group/table/league - and football does use a measure that is dependent on both sides of the equation for doing this (at least in season long leagues); goal difference. Of course, you could have a high goal difference by scoring lots of goals. But you can get an equally high goal difference as a team scoring lots and conceding lots, by not letting in as many, so the system is set up to reward defending (the best of all scenarios of course being good at defending and scoring a lot of goals).

I think that there is something attractive about factoring in the other half of the game when deciding these things. Then again, I’m not convinced that NRR doesn’t already do that. Quoting from the ICC Playing Regulations:

So if you go for fewer average runs per over, you do better. How is this not factoring in bowling/fielding performance? I guess we can argue a fair amount about whether it does this adequately or not - it doesn’t factor in wickets (except inasmuch as taking a significant number of wickets will bring worse batsmen to the crease and presumably depress the average runs per over that your opponents score) - but NRR does factor in the defensive side of the game, arguably in a similar way that goal difference does in football.

All this said, I also don’t think that there is a perfect solution to this. All the methods are going to have drawbacks one way or the other and when a team gets dumped out as a result of them, they will doubtless seek an alternative system. I think I err on the side of wanting to find something better than NRR though.

For me, Carey is too low in this side. I have been very impressed by him, am very worried about what he might do to England in the semi and, whilst I accept that Paine is your captain, if I were Australian, I would want to be looking at him for an Ashes spot. After all, England play as many wicketkeeper bats as possible, so his position shouldn’t be a bar if he’s one of your best batsmen - which, in honesty, I think he is.

He should come in ahead of Maxwell in the rest of this tournament, unless the wicket falls within the last 10 overs, giving Maxwell licence to not think and just biff. Any longer and Carey is definitely the superior bat.

If England make the Final it will be aired on free-to-air TV

This is a no-brainer move. The momentum of the 2005 Ashes which completely swept the nation into cricket mania was wasted as Sky monopolised the game. Sad really.

Fair point.
I’d view the list as flexible 4-7 depending on match circumstances.
It’s proving hard to balance the side when Finch/Warner have been so solid taking up over 50% of the innings.

Carey has certainly been in the top couple of Aussies at the WC with Finch, Warner and Starc. A revelation even, he was behind Wade as keeper batsmen when the squad was selected.

Carey has an ODI average of about 40, mainly due to a high number of not outs.
His T20 average is about 30. His first class average is 25. He’s firming as a heir-presumptive. But at this stage, Paine is a better bat and a much better keeper.

Well, you know far more about his red ball record than I do. I will say that I think he’s been very impressive over the course of this tournament and you could do worse than play him and not give him the gloves, if you think he can stand up to red ball batting. That average needs a few ticks on it though, to warrant a place in the side without the gloves. Still, on this evidence, he’s got guts, places with his brain and stands up in pressure occasions; not qualities that can be discounted if production and technique are in place. I can see him being someone causing England problems for the next decade.

As for the one day stuff/the semi - I think you’re right that they should look to be flexible. I trust him to play a longer innings more than Maxwell, so having him come in at 5 if you’re 20-3 could be the way to go and then moving people around dependent on match situation to get the best out of them and what you want them to do.

And this is the way my World Cup is going. I got dinner prepared early- well except I forgot to turn the heat on for the potatoes. No matter, plenty of time.

Cold beer in fridge ready for England to unluckily lose to Australia. Well, except they aren’t playing. It’s NZ and India. I need to see how many Indian cricket fans are in England again?

From the sounds of it on the radio, quite a lot of them are at the ground today! India seem to have completely strangled NZ in the first few overs - 10/1 off 7.

Not unusual in world sport but Australian cricket has many arcane, byzantine and non-quantitative rituals about selections.

Once a player is established in first class cricket for three seasons it’s generally considered they are technically good enough for a baggy green cap. Then it’s a matter of having good form coincide with an opportunity.

Batsmen need to have at least two shots, any more is an indulgence. Alan Border scored the majority of his runs with cuts and on drives. They need to be able to hit boundaries. An average of 50 and a strike rate of 140 but get ‘em by nudging and noodling simply doesn’t cut the mustard. Batsmen are allowed one weakness. Ponting was Harbijan Singh’s personal bunny, but vulnerability to the short ball is more lethal to career aspirations.

From that point, mental capability is generally what separates Test from the First Class. Batsmen need to been seen as “working hard”. You hear the chant/mantra all the way down to the lowest grades. (No batsman has ever been told to “work smart”). The absolute cream, those languidly gifted and elegant few who make batting look so dammed simple (Mark Waugh, Damian Martin, David Gower, Kumar Sangakkara etc) but look like they aren’t trying when they nick off to a delivery the merely world class would miss by a bat width are regarded with suspicion.

Bowlers need to take wickets with their stock ball. Preferably they either bowl at 140k plus or turn it square. The success of offspinning Gary Lyon as #GOAT is an aberration not understood most of the cricket community, and I include myself.

Then at the final hurdle they need to add an personal edge to the team.
The Powers That Be will usually allow one of the top six to have an unconventional technique. The ODI side has three (Smith, Handscombe and Maxwell) which is a source of considerable angst.
Most often the delta is graceless, boorish, antisocial sledging and abuse. Wade was selected as keeper over a technically better keeper in Neville specifically because he was more verbally aggressive.
Coulter-Nile is probably in the squad because he’s hirsute or colloquially has “great salad”. MarshM and Stoines have great pipes and rig. Carey is possibly the first teeth based Australian selection.

Leading into the WC2019 a semi-final spot for AUS would have been considered a very good result.
If Starc had bowled a tidy first over rather than conceding 15 they might have pinched the win vs SAF, finished top and demonstrably overachieved pre-tournament expectations.
For the conditions at Edgebaston the injuries might actually see a better team fielded than we have all tournament. The game vs the Poms is six to five and pick 'em. [evil]Though the potential for two days of rain would add a certain fraissonse. [/evil]

Whoever gets through to the final only need two good deliveries (one to Rohit Sharma, the other to Virat Kohli) and they’ll take the title.

Still ENG’s tournament to take the chocolates, imho.

Yes, the cameras always pan to them. They are certainly colourdul with their dress and the antics. BTW - does The Barmy Army turn up at these England Games?

Penultimate Thule, whilst overall I agree with your comments re team selection I think there will always be a capability to profuce counter arguments (depending on how far you want to go back of course).

I agree Nevill (no last “E”) was a better keeper than Wade and I couldn’t see why he went the way they did. Then again I could never understand how Taber was dropped for Marsh so long ago. (A taxi driver told me that Taber smacked Lawry in the mouth in South Africa- you know that taxi drivers are always in the know). It was like Bird being told he couldn’t be in the team because he didn’t score enough runs at eleven.

What concerns me is that players aren’t really having decent seasons in first class cricket- Head averages 38 as a batter which really shouldn’t guarantee a place in a State Team.

Damian Martin was undoubtedly one of the most gifted batsman from WA- as was Kim Hughes.

As for Alan Border he was what Australia needed. I’d like to see the percentage of the teams runs he scored for Australia.